Player Features and Ideas Discussion

yes, but I thought of something with a little more duration, so people would actually use them ;)

Too expensive when I can just pewpew on my main

I only do that on CTAs where I know I am going to get podded home.

This is pretty much what I do now.


I always tell people "don't undock in anything you can't afford to lose" and that includes your pod.

I have an idea that would both increase implant supply and provide an ISK sink, so it would be two birds with one stone.

You could take corpses to Medical Bays, and pay them to extract implants from the body. Since you are paying an NPC, it would be an ISK sink, thus reducing inflation. In addition, it would increase the supply of implants, making them cheaper.

Another less popular idea is adding BPOs for the Non-Faction implants, and adding BPCs for the Low-Grade Faction implants. The +3 Faction implants would still only be obtainable through the LP Store, and same thing with the Low-Grade BPCs.

?? They do? The cheapest battleship hull is upwards of 60 mil, and a full set of implants is <1 mil.

That's not a valid comparison. Your car isn't the size of half of manhattan.

Well one of the great problems of that forum, aside from haters of course is that almost all the people that come here are veteran players and the side of the new players are not considered. Play with low SP and low ISK is very diferent.


So let's go for some facts:

- Well the implants are for sure one of the things that take away players (new ones mainly) from PVP. New players does not have jump clones to begin with, it takes stand 8 with a corporation, and this takes lots of missions to acomplish.

- New players does not have money to buy implants, they have to save only for this, and they cannot aford to loose them.

- For a new player the diference is not jump from a clone with +5 to a +3/+4 implants clone for a few hours, the diference is from having +4 in all atributes or having nothing at all as they do not have standings for jump clones.


So what happened with me and must happen with lots of new players losing potential new people for PVP was this:

Entered into the game, finished the tutorial, got an letter of recomendation from one of the tutorial agents that allowed me to enter the mitia, excited about the possibility of PVP entered into the militia. All right! you hear all time "does not fly what you cannot afford to loose", so:
- i got into a t1 rifter. Lost my first rifter and my gift implant.
- lost another tifter and lost a second gift implant while trying to flee to high sec to a gate camp.

I did not care for the loss of the ship, or even the money, but them realised the time diference to train my skills without implants. made some calculations and realized that i should lost
172.800 SP/month wihtout implantes, i gain +- 1.400.000, so it is more that 10% diference, i have 2 months of char (3 in reality but one i did not train due to vacation).
To realize what a big diference it is for a new player, if i got these SP right now from 2 months i could buy projectile small guns lvl 5, plus a lvl 4 skill, that would allow me to put tech 2 small guns plus a tech 2 module.

So following the the ideia "does not fly what you cannot afford to loose", i could not live without implants as it is a loss of real world time, i cannot afford to loose the implants, so i quit PVP.

That should be the main reason for a lot of new players not going direct to PVP. I am now doing missions, had gone into a very different skill path from what i should had gove for PVP to do lvl3/lvl4 missions (Battle cruisers,mediun guns, drones, etc). and i will not come back at least for a few weeks/month yet... so i could be doing PVP for 2 months now, if it was not for implants.

So yes, implants take people away from Pvp.

If you want to blow the isk on pirate-implants, go ahead and do so. It is the same thing with a pirate battleship. You lose it, you just lost a large chunk of isk. Stop flying with things you can afford to lose, plan your skill sheet to train a pair of atributes. Two +3's should be like, 20-30 mil if I recall. If you are out and PVPing in null, you should be able to afford loosing those.

Other than that, use intel channels, safespots, learn to run camps instead of getting caught and getting podded. CCP should not have to make the game simplier if you can't do that. Stop making them dumb things down because you can't adapt to null-sec.

I'm not asking for any dumbing down here. I agree with the proposal to eliminate the jump clone timer if you are in the same station as the clone you are jumping to. This also has the additional restriction that, because stations can't hold more than one jump clone at a time, I can only pick one clone per station that I can regularly switch with.

I think the idea of changing clones without timer if in the same station very good.

But this will not solve the problem for the new people coming in the game and wanting to do PVP, they do not have the SP/ISK/staning for clones, and these take at least a month (considering a players that plays a LOT, or it is much more time).

As a sugestion to solve this i think that it should be allowed for people to take out implants, just make that thet implant is atached to the clone so he cannot put it on another jump clone, nor put another implant without making it uselles.

This i think would solve the problem for new players that does not have jump clones, they could take out the implants, go out to fight with it's t1 figrate (and losing it sonner or latter) and after they can go back to the base, put on the implants and lose little SP in the procees.

Expensive is relative, i spent all my money the second week to get a set of +3 implants, then a little after i spent all my money again to get a set of +4. All my money is expensive for me, does not matter if an old player can get this money in a minute playing. and there is a Big diference in skill training time from 0 to +3.

As for the skill to jump clones, i agree it is quick to train the problem is the standing requiriment. As for the corp i don't think it is an argument, to atract new players it has to be in the tutorial or in the evelopedia, force a player to comit to a corporation to get a jump clone is not a good way to atract new people to PVP.