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I see no reason to vote in the next CSM, but what to do see is a need for a
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Ai Shun
#21 - 2012-02-29 22:37:20 UTC
DarthNefarius wrote:
It would be funny to see both Mittens & Darius III to have negitive totals if we could -1 vote.
If we could unvote I bet a bunch of Hi Sec candidates would rule the CSM


Odd. You'd think they'd be able to get themselves elected if they had those kinds of numbers behind them.
engjin
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#22 - 2012-02-29 22:47:48 UTC
Anyone else vote for a vote for un-voting votes?
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation
The Honda Accord
#23 - 2012-02-29 23:41:24 UTC
So I could come on and babble about the value of the CSM and why its important to vote then end with a "vote for me" thing but I won't. I think the CSM is important and should be supported, but that is how I see it. The general apathy towards the CSM might well indicate more in Eve aren't supportive than are.

So I do think there should be some way for a player to actively say "CCP I don't want a CSM" or even possibly a "I could put up with a CSM but not this person". Those both valid positions.

So while I can't say I know what the best way would be to provide that ant-CSM sentiment to CCP I understand why some pilots in Eve would like the option.

Issler
Jita Alt666
#24 - 2012-02-29 23:50:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Jita Alt666
Stonecrusher Mortlock wrote:
I see no reason to vote in the next CSM, but what to do see is a need for a unvote option to be included in CSM 8 during the next go around.

So that you can unvote the ones you think unworthy.





Summary: I don't want to support something constructive to help the game. I want to just throw stones at players I don't like.
Riggs Droput
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#25 - 2012-02-29 23:56:33 UTC
A negative vote plays into the hands of the large voting blocs more then not voting.

They would be better off having a None of the above option when voting. This would show that you wanted to vote yet none of the candidates truly represented you.

I would rather die on my feet, than live on my knees
Ai Shun
#26 - 2012-02-29 23:57:31 UTC
Jita Alt666 wrote:
Summary: I don't want to support something constructive to help the game. I want to just throw stones at players I don't like.


He does have a marginal point though. I always believe any voting system needs a "None of the above" option. If not enough votes are accumulated for a candidate but there is a clear indication of no-confidence through the extra option the process needs to start again with a better focus on the voters.
Aiwha
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#27 - 2012-03-01 00:22:31 UTC
Mintrolio is the hero New Eden deserves.

Vote Mintrolio.

Sanity is fun leaving the body.
Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#28 - 2012-03-01 00:30:55 UTC
Zagam wrote:
If you don't vote, you can't gripe later.


George Carlin quote :

I don't vote. On Election Day, I stay home. I firmly believe that if you vote, you have no right to complain. Now, some people like to twist that around. They say, 'If you don't vote, you have no right to complain,' but where's the logic in that? If you vote, and you elect dishonest, incompetent politicians, and they get into office and screw everything up, you are responsible for what they have done. You voted them in. You caused the problem. You have no right to complain. I, on the other hand, who did not vote -- who did not even leave the house on Election Day -- am in no way responsible for that these politicians have done and have every right to complain about the mess that you created."
Tarsus Zateki
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#29 - 2012-03-01 02:09:50 UTC
Since you see no reason to participate in the CSM vote, your opinion concerning it is irrelevant.

You asked me once, what was in Room 101. I told you that you knew the answer already. Everyone knows it. The thing that is in Room 101 is the worst thing in the world.
Paintchk
Facepunch Industries
#30 - 2012-03-01 02:14:00 UTC
So I don't have your vote..? Cry
Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#31 - 2012-03-01 02:14:16 UTC
Tarsus Zateki wrote:
Since you see no reason to participate in the CSM vote, your opinion concerning it is irrelevant.


About same relevance as any other.. Whole live is meaningless therefore anything you do is irrelevant in bigger scheme.

Enjoy.
Stonecrusher Mortlock
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#32 - 2012-03-01 02:45:29 UTC
I still fully support the option to -vote people, clearly they have 5000 mindless zombies behind them voting for them
if there's no one running for the CSM i feel is qualified to be on the CSM i should still have the option of keeping the dumbest off the CSM.


( you want to see what having a dumb CSM means. a Nurf to JB networks to make null travel harder but no one thinking to look at titan bridging as a problem as well.)


THAT'S what happens when you let unqualified people in the CSM.
Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#33 - 2012-03-01 02:51:03 UTC
Stonecrusher Mortlock wrote:
I still fully support the option to -vote people, clearly they have 5000 mindless zombies behind them voting for them
if there's no one running for the CSM i feel is qualified to be on the CSM i should still have the option of keeping the dumbest off the CSM.


( you want to see what having a dumb CSM means. a Nurf to JB networks to make null travel harder but no one thinking to look at titan bridging as a problem as well.)


THAT'S what happens when you let unqualified people in the CSM.




CSM provides feed back and some "ideas" of how to improve EVE as an whole.

CCP DEVs actually doing all the work.

Just thought that i would point it out there. Since someone is still confusing DEVs with CSMs.

disclaimer : this is in no way meant as an "insult" to CCP DEVs or CSMs.
Ai Shun
#34 - 2012-03-01 03:18:38 UTC
Jaroslav Unwanted wrote:
CSM provides feed back and some "ideas" of how to improve EVE as an whole.

CCP DEVs actually doing all the work.

Just thought that i would point it out there. Since someone is still confusing DEVs with CSMs.

disclaimer : this is in no way meant as an "insult" to CCP DEVs or CSMs.


EVE Players direct CSM.
CSM communicates with CCP.
CCP does what they think is best.

You were missing that first step.
Nephilius
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#35 - 2012-03-01 03:19:10 UTC
Term limits would be a good start to making the CSM relevant again.

Gotta hitch up my sleeves and edumicate myself on the candidates now.
"If."
Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#36 - 2012-03-01 03:23:08 UTC
Ai Shun wrote:
Jaroslav Unwanted wrote:
CSM provides feed back and some "ideas" of how to improve EVE as an whole.

CCP DEVs actually doing all the work.

Just thought that i would point it out there. Since someone is still confusing DEVs with CSMs.

disclaimer : this is in no way meant as an "insult" to CCP DEVs or CSMs.


EVE Players direct CSM.
CSM communicates with CCP.
CCP does what they think is best.

You were missing that first step.


well it would seem that CSMs are mostly elected/voted by their voting block..
Yep all of them are EVE players/accounts.
And CSMs ussually lead the EVE players Big smile They create an issue, get some support, spread it, get "rest" of EVE forum readers/posters interested..

So i did not really missed on the first step, did i ? Big smile
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#37 - 2012-03-01 08:50:34 UTC
Issler Dainze wrote:
So I could come on and babble about the value of the CSM and why its important to vote then end with a "vote for me" thing but I won't. I think the CSM is important and should be supported, but that is how I see it. The general apathy towards the CSM might well indicate more in Eve aren't supportive than are.

So I do think there should be some way for a player to actively say "CCP I don't want a CSM" or even possibly a "I could put up with a CSM but not this person". Those both valid positions.

So while I can't say I know what the best way would be to provide that ant-CSM sentiment to CCP I understand why some pilots in Eve would like the option.

Issler



There is a way for them to do this. Vote for a candidate who is running on a platform of disbanding the CSM.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#38 - 2012-03-01 10:51:36 UTC
Nephilius wrote:
Term limits would be a good start to making the CSM relevant again.

Gotta hitch up my sleeves and edumicate myself on the candidates now.


So you'd keep people like Trebor and Meissa off the CSM because "oh no mittens ganked my hulk" or whatever

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Rico Minali
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#39 - 2012-03-01 11:02:20 UTC
I unvoted in the real world elections once, the world inverted and caused a supermassive black hole to appear in my underwear.

Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing.
Patient 2428190
DEGRREE'Fo'FREE Internet Business School
#40 - 2012-03-01 11:05:22 UTC
Abstain was an option in the past, you know.