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CCP : MACRO BANNINGS

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Henry Haphorn
Killer Yankee
#261 - 2012-03-03 23:11:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Henry Haphorn
Tinu, I understand your concern regarding the spike in prices on minerals. However, the laws of economics, both macro and micro still stand and therefore the economy of New Eden will recover on its own if all bots were banned or at least punished enough. No matter how you see it, it will find ways to recover.

Adapt or Die
Corina Jarr
en Welle Shipping Inc.
#262 - 2012-03-03 23:35:55 UTC
On a related note, dev blog mentioned that accounts with a bot warning/ban will not be sellable in the character bazaar.
Henry Haphorn
Killer Yankee
#263 - 2012-03-04 01:09:00 UTC
Corina Jarr wrote:
On a related note, dev blog mentioned that accounts with a bot warning/ban will not be sellable in the character bazaar.


That's what I loved about the dev blog.

Adapt or Die
Johan Civire
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#264 - 2012-03-04 02:42:03 UTC
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#265 - 2012-03-04 08:46:42 UTC
Tinu Moorhsum wrote:
While I'm at it, I would also like to submit that not all bots are bad for EVE.

When it's bad is when botting for RMT allows players who can afford it to buy expensive items with real $$$. That disadvantages everyone who can't.

It's also bad (as explained above) when alliances use botting (whether doing themselves or delegating it via renters) for game changing play.

However, some bots actually help the game. Players macro-mining in high-sec, for example, produce HUGE amounts of minerals and ensure an oversupply, which keeps the prices of minerals down. Those bots generate isk for their owners but much of that isk just stays locked up in a wallet and isn't used for RMT or for financing fuly reimbursable titan blobs.

There is no renting in high-sec and therefore the problem remains limited because the isk generated will remain, for the most part, locked up in the wallets of a few players. So if CCP succeeds in eliminating all high-sec macro miners then it *will* hurt the game by creating inflation in the mineral market and therefore everything will become more expensive.

In fact, weeding out high-sec macro-miners will have another nasty side effect, which is will be to hand control of the mineral markets over to the drone Russians, who (at least if they're smart) will start to act like OPEC and decide for us how much we will pay for Tritanium.... at least until the price of minerals gets so high that people stop running incursions in high-sec to go mining.

T-


This is wrong on so many levels.

Bots are A L W A Y S bad.


They steal the honest players chance to play the game (miners) and then steal the profits from the honest traders.
Minerals are much more liquid than ISK in this game (wallets are segregated) the minerals inflation is opposite but as bad as ISK inflation is.

All the "savings" you get when buying your next boat go into the dirty hands of a RL sweatshop owner.

"Oh, it's cool that Chinese children must work with toxic paint and cancer inducing manufacturing waste, so I can buy my next iPad for $30 less!"


As for giving the minerals market in the Russians hands, CCP announced they are going to nerf it AND in any case it's a FAIR IN GAME EULA ALLOWED rule to be able to conquer a drone region and use it at advantage.

Or are you saying moon goo you find elsewhere is less profitable? Or that moon goo owners don't try raise its price?

If what you say was minimally true, we'd see massive coalitions rushing to conquer the Drone Regions Klondike.

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Sasha Azala
Doomheim
#266 - 2012-03-04 11:09:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Sasha Azala
Tinu Moorhsum wrote:
However, some bots actually help the game. T-



Bots don't help the game, botters in this game just help themselves to isk that they don't deserve.


The PLEX to extend game time is a reward from CCP for people investing their time into the game. Because in MMOs people retain people and as those people that pay by PLEX are playing long hours they assist in doing just that.

It of course also means that people that have a lot of time to spare and might not have much real currency to spare can also play.


Bots don't help with player retention as they don't interact with anyone else and can put people off from playing the game.

The people paying for their accounts with isk from botting are also avoiding paying to play the game and have no right to do so.

These reasons are enough without going into more technical reasons (game mechanics) of why botting is bad. Which others have already done in other posts.
kelli Udan
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#267 - 2012-03-13 22:41:35 UTC
The biggest Issue there is with all of this Bot nonsense is that CCP WILL NOT disclose what they found, or what actions were taken against the character/account in question. There are many law enforcement agencies (and this department/section of CCP is exactly that) will tell witnesses and others and make public, their records about what became of a suspect, whether they were arrested (in this case banned), detained (in this case suspended for a period of time), or released (not enough info/proved not guilty). It is completely ridiculous for CCP to continue to say that they cannot disclose such information. We should be allowed to know what becomes of these "suspects" because:

1) We may want to buy a character, but how do we know if it was used as a bot, or was even suspected in botting?

2) As corporations/alliances, we will not want to allow botting accounts into our ranks, as it is destroying the game for those of us that actually play. (this would also probably include the recipients of the isk from botting, which is another issue altogether that I doubt CCP will ever take action against.

3) we as a community should know that that these individuals are suspected of botting, or are completely removed from our society. Why should we continue to live in fear that these accounts are still active, eating our Rocks/Rats and continuing the destruction of our economy.

Thoughts?
Scrapyard Bob
EVE University
Ivy League
#268 - 2012-03-14 03:51:05 UTC
kelli Udan wrote:

1) We may want to buy a character, but how do we know if it was used as a bot, or was even suspected in botting?


Now that those characters are locked to the account (forever) on the first strike, you no longer have to worry about that as you can't buy/sell accounts - only characters may change hands.