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I am Starting A petition For Eve To make a LINUX Client!
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Adira Barek
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1 - 2012-02-28 20:37:29 UTC
Here is the link to the part of the forum the petition is one. All support is appreciated. Us Linux users need our own client, just like the windows and mac users haveAttention


https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=75236&find=unread
Buzzy Warstl
Quantum Flux Foundry
#2 - 2012-02-28 20:42:08 UTC
Adira Barek wrote:
Here is the link to the part of the forum the petition is one. All support is appreciated. Us Linux users need our own client, just like the windows and mac users haveAttention


https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=75236&find=unread

No. Please no.

Last time they tried they did a half-%$#ed job and messed it up.

Better that they mostly ignore us.

http://www.mud.co.uk/richard/hcds.htm Richard Bartle: Players who suit MUDs
mxzf
Shovel Bros
#3 - 2012-02-28 20:42:31 UTC
IIRC Macs don't have their own client either, they're running a Win client which sits on top of a variant of Wine. The issue is that separate clients require more development work, and they already have enough issues keeping the bugs out without branching for another OS.

I'm an avid Linux user myself, and I understand the frustration, but I also understand the issues with trying to develop for multiple OSes in parallel and fear that it would cause more issues than it would solve.
Adira Barek
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#4 - 2012-02-28 20:47:50 UTC
I can understand every ones fear of this happening in the sense of them messing it up bad and making it more of a problem than a remedy, but isn't that what the Linux development community does we strive for things to be accepted in our way to, Also to help out in anyway we can in these Developments. Windows is a primary operating system Linux is pushed back into the closet and forgot about. I say Give them a chance and one all things have come and they have done there best then make the choice to accept the new client or to throw it away. they have come a long way in many things. lets give them a chance and Give us a chance to truly enjoy the way we choose to compute and game.
Smiling Menace
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2012-02-28 23:46:39 UTC
As much as this would be great for all the Linux users, it's purely for a minority of users so using CCP's time for a new client wouldn't really be the best idea.

I run EVE on Wine and it works well for me so I am relatively happy about this.
Buzzy Warstl
Quantum Flux Foundry
#6 - 2012-02-29 01:48:12 UTC
It would be nice if they acknowledged and supported wine as a windows version.

That would suffice for support IMHO.

http://www.mud.co.uk/richard/hcds.htm Richard Bartle: Players who suit MUDs
Vertisce Soritenshi
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2012-02-29 20:16:30 UTC
Won't happen. They stopped supporting Linux for a reason. The 0.002% of players that use it just isn't worth it.

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Buzzy Warstl
Quantum Flux Foundry
#8 - 2012-02-29 20:40:01 UTC
Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:
Won't happen. They stopped supporting Linux for a reason. The 0.002% of players that use it just isn't worth it.

Oh, hey! Then we've all posted to this thread already and we're done here!

More people are playing on Linux than ever used the official Linux client, and with their new diagnostic tools CCP can probably tell how many of us there really are.

More importantly, we are willing to make an extra effort to play the game, unlike those lazy MSWindows users who just settle for whatever was packed on their system to begin with.

http://www.mud.co.uk/richard/hcds.htm Richard Bartle: Players who suit MUDs
Smiling Menace
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2012-03-02 03:08:23 UTC
Buzzy Warstl wrote:
More importantly, we are willing to make an extra effort to play the game, unlike those lazy MSWindows users who just settle for whatever was packed on their system to begin with.


Not quite sure where you were going with this and what relevance the 'packaged' programs on Windows has to playing EVE?

I seriously doubt Windows users play the game any less than Mac or Linux users as they pay to play the same as everyone else.

Based on statistics, they actually play more as there are more of them.

Linus users, as already stated, make up a very, very tiny part of the EVE community and it really isn't worth CCP's time to support a client solely for this.
Buzzy Warstl
Quantum Flux Foundry
#10 - 2012-03-02 04:32:53 UTC
I do believe I mentioned above that last time they tried, they didn't put enough resources in to do it right and made a pig's breakfast of it.

I'd rather they not make another partial attempt, but it would be nice if they took Wine compatibility a bit more seriously.

Just a tiny bit.

http://www.mud.co.uk/richard/hcds.htm Richard Bartle: Players who suit MUDs
Snowflake Tem
The Order of Symbolic Measures
#11 - 2012-03-02 08:30:09 UTC
For me a recent Linux adopter, learning how to get EVE running through Wine was an important education.
I understand your good intentions but I'd rather a programmer at CCP was informally assigned to raise issues with wine.org rather than a whole team dedicated making a new client.

Although I am a bit worried that the Sisi test server client crashes for me in Wine at the moment.
Smiling Menace
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2012-03-02 23:04:07 UTC
Snowflake Tem wrote:
Although I am a bit worried that the Sisi test server client crashes for me in Wine at the moment.


Yeah does the same to me too. Sucks having to switch to Windows to run SiSi. Something in the last patch seems to have broken Wine somewhere along the way.
Karak Terrel
Foundation for CODE and THE NEW ORDER
#13 - 2012-03-03 23:40:42 UTC
I was there and it was awful

In my opinion we should push in the direction of getting wine as an official platform among the other windows versions. This would also include the Mac client.

This way there would be only one client.

Also there is not much needed to get a better integration in distributions. A small open source installer that can be packaged by distributions and after accepting the licence or whatever downloads the client via zsync (already exists for the repair tool) per user.

just my 0.000003% of a cent
Kid Delicious
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#14 - 2012-03-04 03:40:37 UTC
All I'd ask is that they not break it entirely on wine.

CQ seems broken atm but who cares about CQ. I currently cannot get on test because it crashes but I haven't done a full reinstall yet.

I will not use windows to keep playing if they break wine support.
Raziel Tyrael
Euphoria Released
#15 - 2012-03-04 18:57:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Raziel Tyrael
Adira Barek wrote:
Here is the link to the part of the forum the petition is one. All support is appreciated. Us Linux users need our own client, just like the windows and mac users haveAttention


https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=75236&find=unread


how about instead signing your silly petition we all give you 1 dollar so you can buy windows, might even get enough for new wooden pc?

to give out a bit more explanation

for example, lots of stuff works differently on other OS, do you know how much time devs would need to write a linux client and test it? i don't, and i sure as hell wouldn't even like to know. simply enought, play it on windows or on mac. if i wanted to play dust or god of war i would buy ps3, i wouldn't go on developer site and say: "you know what, i am starting petition you lazy a**es, go and make it for pc..."
Buzzy Warstl
Quantum Flux Foundry
#16 - 2012-03-04 23:54:53 UTC
Windows costs $100. Not worth the price for the pain of trying to get Windows to run right in the first place, let alone getting it to run Eve.

Whenever Eve compatibility with Linux breaks I just unsubscribe, so it's probably a net win for me since then I have more time for other stuff.

http://www.mud.co.uk/richard/hcds.htm Richard Bartle: Players who suit MUDs
Bienator II
madmen of the skies
#17 - 2012-03-05 01:20:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Bienator II
eve uses DirectX like most games do. Porting it to OpenGL would be the only real cross platform solution. However this won't happen since there is no business reason in doing that.

wine emulates DirectX on top of OpenGL, there is not much CCP could do to provide better emulation as what wine already provides.

good intention, but it won't happen sorry

how to fix eve: 1) remove ECM 2) rename dampeners to ECM 3) add new anti-drone ewar for caldari 4) give offgrid boosters ongrid combat value
Raziel Tyrael
Euphoria Released
#18 - 2012-03-05 16:32:13 UTC
Buzzy Warstl wrote:
Windows costs $100. Not worth the price for the pain of trying to get Windows to run right in the first place, let alone getting it to run Eve.

Whenever Eve compatibility with Linux breaks I just unsubscribe, so it's probably a net win for me since then I have more time for other stuff.


So, on one side we have few of users canceling their subscriptions which equals some small number of money for CPP, and on the other side we have days and months of work and paying CPP workers to get linux running client for those small number of players. I would rather lose small sum of money, then pay large sum of money to keep getting small sum back.

Yeah, I am sorry for you, but look, buy a windows, or continue emulating on linux. Why do you expect to get everything on a plate?
Buzzy Warstl
Quantum Flux Foundry
#19 - 2012-03-05 16:54:20 UTC
Raziel Tyrael wrote:
Buzzy Warstl wrote:
Windows costs $100. Not worth the price for the pain of trying to get Windows to run right in the first place, let alone getting it to run Eve.

Whenever Eve compatibility with Linux breaks I just unsubscribe, so it's probably a net win for me since then I have more time for other stuff.


So, on one side we have few of users canceling their subscriptions which equals some small number of money for CPP, and on the other side we have days and months of work and paying CPP workers to get linux running client for those small number of players. I would rather lose small sum of money, then pay large sum of money to keep getting small sum back.

Yeah, I am sorry for you, but look, buy a windows, or continue emulating on linux. Why do you expect to get everything on a plate?

1. I'm not the OP
2. CCP actually is pretty responsive. They don't have a lot of resources dedicated to it, but the development team is at least sympathetic and doesn't deliberately break stuff.

3. I'm the guy who doesn't want it on a plate. If I was computing in easy mode I wouldn't have to pay extra to get Windows.

http://www.mud.co.uk/richard/hcds.htm Richard Bartle: Players who suit MUDs
Karak Terrel
Foundation for CODE and THE NEW ORDER
#20 - 2012-03-05 18:28:29 UTC
Raziel Tyrael wrote:

how about instead signing your silly petition we all give you 1 dollar so you can buy windows, might even get enough for new wooden pc?


You must be a genius, you are probably the first one that came up with this idea. After all we all just use Linux because we can not afford a Windows license.

Also i consider wine the superior Win32 implementation and support for it isn't asked that much. After all they support several implementations by microsoft that challenge each other for the title of the most broken OS.

BTW what are you doing in the EVE forums? Don't you have to fix uncle bob and his mums printer problems you windows genius?
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