EVE General Discussion

I agree with what Marlona said about stereotyping console vs pc players, even as I admit that I had shared the general perception that console players tend to be younger and with shorter attention span, etc. But I've been observing the dust514.org and dust514base forums (big thanks to the hosts of these sites), and what became gradually apparent to me was that, like pc gamers, there are all manners of console players.

Most relevant to Dust are the hardcore console FPS players who form clans and migrate together from one game to another and get very deep into the competency and mechanics of their game. They are very proud of their reputation in terms of their stats and their dedication to a game they like can match the most rabid of Eve's players. WIth the twin elements of persistency and inter-dependency, I believe Dust 514 can harness their drive for victories and this in turn creates value for both games (or one universe).

On the other hand, there will always be casual console players who will view this as a short term distraction and move onto other stuff once the hype dies down. If Dust is designed well, the base of hard core players who remain committed to the game will be able to sustain it for years to come.

They don't want people cheating with aiming bots on PC

Xbox and ps3 have thier aimbots (however mostly wallhacks these days) but usually banning them costs the player an account which can make hundreds of dollars of virtual buying dissapear.

The PC vs. Console fps war is the latest version of the old vs. Young fights. Older PC gamers learned how to play fps games on a keyboard and mouse before dual joystic controllers existed. Younger fps players learned how to play with dual joystic controllers. Older PC fps players try the dual joystic controllers and fail because they're used to the keyboard and mouse. Older players can't handle getting owned by these 'young punks' with their controllers and proceed to bash the younger generation.

While its true that a mouse gives you more sensitivity, in practise the extra sensitivity gives little to no advantage due to aim assist which is used in pretty much every online fps. I played several PC fps games online with an Xbox controller plugged into my PC because I'm used to a controller an not a keyboard. I never once had the impression that someone had an advantage over me because of superior mouse sensitivity.

It's fine. Console kiddies are almost as bad as roleplayers.

Not really. I grew up playing FPS games on console before I ever got a PC. 007 on N64. No dual joysticks but still FPS. Then it was Halo on XBox at the same time I playef FPS games on my PC. Fact of the matter is you have faster response and better control and accuracy on a keyboard and mouse set up than you ever will with a controller. Part of this is due to how fast you can move a mouse and make the cursor on your screen move vs a controller which may be limited to a set speed of movement. Try it in just about any FPS game that is on all platforms. Modern Warfare for example. You can move your reticle on the screen faster on a PC than you can on any of the other 3 consoles. This does change a bit with things like Kinect however. I would be interested to see how a player using Kinect or whatever the PS3 version is called does against a PC player on keyboard and mouse.

The Sony version of Kinect is 'Move', and is a wand that can be mounted on a gun shaped frame. I really hope Dust implements some method to use the Move gun to aim and shoot.

Disgea is an example of a hard core console game. Lvl 999 characters with abilities that level and to level thier weapons you have to enter the weapons and level them from within by beating up entire stagest and taking the people inside the weapon hostage.

Once thats done you can take the hostages to a different weapon making it much more powerful and there is more than enough content to last until lvl 999.

So your console attention span argument is null.

Actually it's not. The game could be amazingly well made and it will still fail. It was doomed the second they decided to make it a console exclusive. It's also troubling that this far into development they still don't have a clear concept of how Eve and Dust are going to interact. They did a bunch of interviews with gaming sites over the weekend and it's obvious they are still, this far into development, trying to figure out how to mash the two games together.

Actually, it being a console exclusive means you need it to fail, not that it will fail. The prejudice aganst consoles and console gamers clouds your thinking, and I really believe that PC gamers are not quite in the know when it comes to console games. I'm not saying there is complete ignorance concerning the subject, but given that I have been a console gamer a lot longer than a PC gamer, what i am hearing just sounds a lot like Dewey defeats Truman kind of mentality about it. And I have yet to see or hear of any game that anyone, console or PC, says is a epic smash hit despite the fact that it's a steaming hunk of mangy cat ass. Besides, the target audience that CCP is going for here may not always be concerned about how the two games will mesh with one another. They'll play it cause that's the type of game they like to play. They like to shoot each other and blow each other to bits...spaceships and how they interact with their Spaceman Spiff weapons aren't exactly on the front burner for them here. CCP is merely tapping into a revenue stream that they have not yet dabbled in with Dust 514.

But do everyone a favor and wait until the horses are in before you say it will fail. It might save you from eating something. If it does fail, then you get to say I told you so.