EVE General Discussion

No Aurum/Nex



+ standings based (Concord, sarum family, Thukker tribe) based paints earned through Missions, Faction warfare, Incursions, LP store and affect your reception by other factions/races.

change: every time a blueprint job would be applied to a ship, player would pay a small fee to CONCORD Amarr empire, minmatar republic, caldari state, gallente federation.

+ every time a blueprint job would be applied to a ship, the designer would would get a fraction of that small fee. (royalties)

PS: (nano)Paints ingredients could also me manufactured through PI, made in station in ambulation like "paintshops".
(some ingredients would have to be obtained somewhere else (rare))

Except that when you buy something with ISK you feed another players in-game business.
When you buy something with AUR you only feed CCPs business.

I can't see how AUR is compatible with a player driven market at all, unless you would change it completely and enable a player to pay another player with AUR for goods/services. But I don't see the point since we already have ISK for that. There is no need for AUR.


Edit: Paying ISK to a NPC acts as an ISK-sink and we could use more of these.

made changes to the original post based on discussion so far.

Yep... the fact in the is that creating custom paint job for each ship hull takes awful lot work and someone has to pay for it.

added some limitations to bpo copying for obvious reasons.

- Ships have a 'paint' slot, one-use-only, like rigs.
- Blueprints for paint cost AUR.
- Adding paint takes materials or just straight ISK.
- Paint jobs become an item, tradable between players.

OPTIONAL
- Paint jobs can be added to BPOs through research, or to BPCs through copying the BPO. This would be bound to the ship through repackaging, as well.

Using that system, your custom-painted ship can have the paintjob destroyed with the ship. Alliances and corporations can distribute paintjobs, and require use of them.
Or with the optional method, distribute standard ships with standard paint jobs. For example, rifters with the TEST or goonswarm logo on. Shark-jawed interceptors. Cow-patterned Hulks sold at major trade hubs. Industrials with cutie marks.

With this system, it'd be an ISK AND AUR sink. It might even consume minerals or PI materials, or just a further ISK sink from NPC seeding,

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=863918#post863918

(from another thread)

Good point.

This is only part of the problem. Making paint jobs similar to BPCs is better than selling them directly through NEX. And I could support that if CCP was very clear with their business model and what they intend for NEX. But they are not. They don't want to tie their hands by making such promises to us players. And after reading the fearless newspaper we know other plans have been made ... but are put on ice, at least for now.

Some people think BPC in NEX and LP store is basically the same thing. But it is not. By a fair margin.

So will they stop with paint jobs? What if they decided you could trade in player made ammo in NEX for better ammo similar to the LP store? Do you really trust CCP to not go that way?

If that would happen less players would be paying ISK for faction ammo from the LP store. This would make prices drop and essentially devaluing all player activity that generates LP. It would also decrease the need for logistics in game (because NEX is in every station but faction crystals are not) making the game more shallow and devaluing the activity of couriers and haulers.

If the concept is expanded to other LP store items it would directly devalue all players activities that generate LP, faction or deadspace loot (and indirectly all other loot as well) in addition to reducing the need for logistics and hauling services. There will be less explorers, ratters and mission runners around in particular in low/null.

With every AUR spent in NEX, demand is increased for PLEX fueling an inflation.
Compare that to an ISK sink (like the LP store) that works against inflation.

No matter how you look at it, every AUR spent in NEX is devaluing ISK and the work of others in EVE. It is not just industry.

I, and many others, have been fairly outspoken on the point that faction oriented items should remain part of the loyalty point store as well as any new items introduced that would be appropriate (NPC themed paint jobs for instance).

While CCP has announced quite firmly that they were going to avoid the concept of (gold ammo) lets look at that more closely. If they were to introduce a new type of ammo that was significantly different from faction ammo, all they need do is make sure that one of the components necessary for it's creation (from a NEX purchased BPC) is an similar amount of an appropriate faction ammo. Throw in a quantity of PI materials (or whatever) to complete the production requirements and you have stimulated both mission running and PI production.

I fully acknowledge your point, but do you see how easily this could be implimented in a way that stiumulates the existing economy and industry base (or mission runner base)... and I don't think that a higher demand for PLEX is a bad thing as supply and demand takes care of that quite nicely given a small amount of time for the market to adjust.

This same solution applies to most anything you can think of, especially since an item such as this new "NEX ammo" you hypothesize could then be freely resold on the player driven market.

The only piece to still fall in place is the ability to sell BPC's through the NEX, and have those BPC consume the right player made components for production. Unless plans have changed, this is the course already plotted by CCP.

PS: While we disagree on this point, I always enjoy your posts.