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Cyniac
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#61 - 2012-02-29 19:39:22 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
All I can say for sure is that my Alliance Leader did it when in Wildly Inappropriate.

Killmails are all ancient and gone. Sad


That's cool.

Alliance leaders (and other pilots) do a lot of stuff that is not ideal. For example, I have been known to run lvl 4 missions in a small fleet of T1 frigs - it can be done (and it can be fun) but it doesn't make it ideal, and I would not recommend it as a way to run level 4 missions.

There is another issue with drawing on old sources, EVE changes a lot - what worked 2 or 3 years ago may no longer be applicable, and especially when you are working second hand (you know of someone who did it, but didn't do it yourself) it's possible that crucial little details slip through to create confusion.

Anyhow cheers, good luck to all the miners out there in their hulks (we all need that ore!) and also good luck to the gankers (though I don't see myself joining your ranks, you do know how to make things interesting!)
Zathryon
Amarr General Drilling and Construction
#62 - 2012-02-29 20:15:32 UTC
i will say the youtube video with a smarty apoc taking out something like 20 retrievers is really funny...but i digress. Smarty apocs seems like a funny way to take out an orca.

Let me say I KNOW there are some times when there is nothing you can do. I mean hell...if some really rich bastard wants to he can faction smarty a navy apoc and eliminate my entire fleet before I have a chance to blink, even if each one of my hulks had a faction fit tank with 50k EHP (i just made that number up, but it sounds like a reasonable max).

on the other hand, if i lose to another destroyer im going to be angry. Also, it was definitely not 40 seconds for CONCORD to come in, it was probably more like 15. 1000 DPS is fairly high for most casual gankers (although again there are certainly some who will still get more). so then I need to be able to tank 15ish K damage. (again some will still get through but if i can avoid even one i will have saved myself 200M right?)

I can definitely see the point of wanting to max out a hulk for yield. frankly I cant decide what is best. the decreased yield is certainly an issue but the increase in EHP might make it worth it. not sure yet.

Im certainly making some good strides in just being able to watch out for gankers. ive got some tricks up my sleeve for that.
Ninyania alCladdyth
McLuvin AstroDynamics
#63 - 2012-02-29 20:29:14 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:

Orca's with no Shield extender (or Armor or Hull equivalent) either is total of 57400 EHP. And adding those won't add that much.......not anywhere NEAR the 90K you popped out of your head.........so YOU lie.

I'm done arguing here.


dafuq you talking about? my alt's fail-fit Orca has 155k EHP.
Herr Wilkus
Aggressive Salvage Services LLC
#64 - 2012-02-29 21:41:32 UTC
My god, everything Krixtal Icefluxor posts is pure bullcrap. "3 Apocs can SB an Orca to death" What a load.
Why don't you just admit you made it up. Acting like you know something doesn't really work when your facts are so laughably bogus. Maybe it flies here in Science and Industry, but in C&P OR Ships and Fittings you'd be laughed out of the forums.

We've smartbombed hundreds of Exhumers to death with 1/2/3 and even 5 Battleships. Orcas are almost automatically present in large clusters of Exhumers, and they've never come close to dying - why would they? Even fail-fit for max cargo they have nearly 60K EHP.

Easiest way to kill a cargo-fit Orca: 3 T2 Overheated Talos do the job in 12 seconds or less. But why? Good if you want to mess with someone specific, but fragile, uninsurable T2 Exhumers are always the better target because it inflicts more pain on the stupid miners.

Long story short, that dude is a gank victim who has a chip on his shoulder. Knows nothing about ganking except being on the receiving end. If you want to know about Hulk tanks, ask the gankers themselves - they might teach you something.
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#65 - 2012-02-29 21:47:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Krixtal Icefluxor
Zathryon wrote:
i will say the youtube video with a smarty apoc taking out something like 20 retrievers is really funny...but i digress. Smarty apocs seems like a funny way to take out an orca.



'twas indeed an hilarious video that ! Was definitely a bot team of Rets in an Ice belt. Although I did manage to pop 2 Ice Bots in Mackinaws out here around a month ago, it did take 2 Nagas. CONCORD was just too fast. Smile

Here's one of them:

________________________
2012.01.25 09:56:00

Victim: XXXXXXXX
Corp: XXXXXXXXX
Alliance: Unknown
Faction: Unknown
Destroyed: Mackinaw
System: Orva
Security: 0.5
Damage Taken: 3033

Involved parties:

Name: Krixtal Icefluxor (laid the final blow)
Security: 4.40
Corp: Bison - Ammatar Thunder
Alliance: Thundering Herd
Faction: None
Ship: Naga
Weapon: Limited Mega Neutron Blaster I
Damage Done: 3033

Destroyed items:

Cap Recharger II
Expanded Cargohold II
Small Shield Booster I
Ice Harvester Upgrade II
Medium Cargohold Optimization I

Dropped items:

Ice Harvester II, Qty: 2
Acolyte I, Qty: 5 (Drone Bay)
________________________________________




edit: Hilarious how I was putting this together and the post above appeared. Lol

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Herr Wilkus
Aggressive Salvage Services LLC
#66 - 2012-02-29 22:18:43 UTC
Actually, those KMs further illustrate how ignorant you are. But keep right on poasting.
astara989
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#67 - 2012-03-01 08:13:03 UTC
Not saying this is the best fit but i run:

3x t2 strips

1x t2 invul
1x t2 small shield extender
1x t2 em or thermal hardener (or named)

2x t2 MLU

2x core defense extenders.

with a harmonizer running on an orca this is somewhere around 20-22k EHP.

I've never been ganked so can't tell you how well this will work. It seems to me your choice of system (and not afk mining) is your best defense against being ganked.
Zathryon
Amarr General Drilling and Construction
#68 - 2012-03-01 15:11:49 UTC
the video i was talking about definitely wasnt a bunch of bots, it was some small indy corp. taking out a few retrievers isnt a big deal but I think its kind of lame to take out hulks...theyre just too expensive.

Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#69 - 2012-03-01 15:36:59 UTC
Herr Wilkus wrote:
Actually, those KMs further illustrate how ignorant you are. But keep right on poasting.


The Hostility is STRONG in this one..........

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
ChaoticDemon
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#70 - 2012-03-02 18:29:14 UTC
For highsec you want the least expensive fit possible so no faction/deadspace/officer also forget named mining upgrades unless you want ganked. I forget how many it takes since its been a long time since I've done any highsec ganks but a few noob destroyer alts can take out any mack/hulk in a few seconds and if you get lucky can take out 2 or 3 best to fit for no resist holes and be in a fleet with lvl 5 armor and shield leadrship skills on booster also 1 smartbomb bs can take out a lot of hulks/macks if clustered together for highsec mining I usually keep my overview set to only show station gates and combat ships if you see a combat ship close to you or a group enter belt leave best tank is to not be there when they start shooting
Tarsus Zateki
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#71 - 2012-03-03 05:51:25 UTC
Don't bother tanking your hulk at all.

Fit mods that will reduce alignment and speed up time and don't ever be AFK. There is no amount of tank you can fit that will prevent a determined ganker from killing you. If you tank up, I'll just bring friends and you will die anyway.

You asked me once, what was in Room 101. I told you that you knew the answer already. Everyone knows it. The thing that is in Room 101 is the worst thing in the world.