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Zathryon
Amarr General Drilling and Construction
#1 - 2012-02-27 06:06:58 UTC
is it worth it?

Ive recently moved back to hisec from 0.0 and I know all about hulk perma-tanking rats but this is a bit of a different story.



I suspect theres no way I can avoid a gank from a well fit tornado but how about a stupid caracal (thats what happened to me yesterday).

is recharging worth it or only go for extenders?

is faction fitting worth it at all? i suspect it may just make my day worse?

I can get anywhere from 13-22k EHP depending on fit and anywhere from 60-180 EHP HP/s recharge.

so thoughts? will the extender fit at least make the caracal a good laugh?

and dont say just quit mining, i know its not profitable but i enjoy it (kind of a zen like meditation thing). I have other ways of making ISK.
Captian FruitLoop
Captian FruitLoop Corporation
#2 - 2012-02-27 08:45:40 UTC
[Hulk, My Hulk]
Damage Control II
Reinforced Bulkheads II

Invulnerability Field II
Micro Shield Extender II
Small Shield Booster II
Cap Recharger II (Drop this for Poacher Photon Scattering Field if you don't afk mine, just turn off shield booster when it's not needed)

Strip Miner I
Strip Miner I
Strip Miner I

Medium Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Cargohold Optimization I

STATS ARE WITH MY SKILLS AND ORCA PILOT RUNNING T2 SHIELD HARMONY MODULE
EHP: 21,569
Resists: EM-66.7 Therm-79.3 Kin-80 EXP-81.4
Cargo Size: 9,200M3
Cap Stable at 51%
Overheating Adds 882EHP

This can tank most any cruiser, and even some BC's while your afk and not overheated
Fluffi Flaffi
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#3 - 2012-02-27 11:50:56 UTC
You have been destroyed by a Caracal? Shocked

All that counts in HiSec to resist as good as possible a suicide Gank is EHP! If you are wardecced this is another story, but in that case you should not undock your mining ship anyway.

Neverever use a Shield Booster! It will not save your your ship if somebody is trying to suicide gank you.

Something you can do for example:

[Hulk, Tank]
Damage Control II
Reinforced Bulkheads II

Invulnerability Field II
Small Shield Extender II
Invulnerability Field II
Survey Scanner II (which I think is still necessary too not loose to much mining amount)

Strip Miner I
Strip Miner I
Strip Miner I

Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I

maybe a Power Diagnostic System or dropping Survey Scanner for another shield hardener may give more hp. I'm not quite sure, but you can reach 30k EHP with Orca booster and Implants.

Just haven 15k and more should be good enough in most cases, because you will resist at least one single attack. But as one person who has destroyed some hulks already: Do not fit a shield booster! Every Hulk with a shield booster is an easy target, even for low skilled gankers. And in HiSec you can tank all NPCs with below standard Buffer Hulk w/o any problems:

[Hulk, Tank]
Expanded Cargohold 2 / Mining Laser Upgrade II
Expanded Cargohold 2 / Mining Laser Upgrade II

Invulnerability Field II
Invulnerability Field II
Small Shield Extender II / Small F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
Survey Scanner II

Modulated Strip Miner II / Mining Crystal II
Modulated Strip Miner II / Mining Crystal II
Modulated Strip Miner II / Mining Crystal II

Medium Cargohold Optimization I
Medium Cargohold Optimization I
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#4 - 2012-02-27 14:22:58 UTC
Captian FruitLoop wrote:
[Hulk, My Hulk]
Damage Control II
Reinforced Bulkheads II

Invulnerability Field II
Micro Shield Extender II
Small Shield Booster II
Cap Recharger II (Drop this for Poacher Photon Scattering Field if you don't afk mine, just turn off shield booster when it's not needed)

Strip Miner I
Strip Miner I
Strip Miner I

Medium Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Cargohold Optimization I

STATS ARE WITH MY SKILLS AND ORCA PILOT RUNNING T2 SHIELD HARMONY MODULE
EHP: 21,569
Resists: EM-66.7 Therm-79.3 Kin-80 EXP-81.4
Cargo Size: 9,200M3
Cap Stable at 51%
Overheating Adds 882EHP

This can tank most any cruiser, and even some BC's while your afk and not overheated


This gives REALLY low yield. And it's 'out the window' anyway with Smartbombs, which has become de rigeur as of late.

Stripper II's, Upgrade II in the Lows, and having another toon in Fleet using Med Shield Rep Drones on you is good enough for anything but the Smartbombs......and MUCH higher yield.

This is what I call a paranoid tank...overprepared for the least, and underprepared for the worst.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#5 - 2012-02-27 14:24:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Krixtal Icefluxor
Fluffi Flaffi wrote:



Neverever use a Shield Booster! It will not save your your ship if somebody is trying to suicide gank you.




THIS. True....much less a Small Booster as presented above. The 2 Invuls are your best hope. The V-braced Invulns are good for saving some CPU as well.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Zathryon
Amarr General Drilling and Construction
#6 - 2012-02-27 14:41:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Zathryon
im just used to using faction boosters for tanking 0.0 rats.

I use t2 strips so my fits are already a bit tighter.

this is what I was thinking. 22.3k EHP and its not that expensive. totally fills out cpu and grid.

22k ehp still wont last the 15 seconds it takes for CONCORD to get there against a smartbomb?

I was also thinking of fitting shield rep drones on each one. Im not willing to put my Orca in the belt to put larger drones on the hulks, im not going to turn a hulk loss into an Orca loss.

thoughts?

[Hulk, hihulk fit]

Modulated Strip Miner II
Modulated Strip Miner II
Modulated Strip Miner II

V-M15 Braced Multispectral Shield Matrix
V-M15 Braced Multispectral Shield Matrix
Small F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
Small F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction

F85 Peripheral Damage System I
Mining Laser Upgrade II

Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#7 - 2012-02-27 15:15:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Krixtal Icefluxor
Zathryon wrote:
im just used to using faction boosters for tanking 0.0 rats.

I use t2 strips so my fits are already a bit tighter.

this is what I was thinking. 22.3k EHP and its not that expensive. totally fills out cpu and grid.

22k ehp still wont last the 15 seconds it takes for CONCORD to get there against a smartbomb?

I was also thinking of fitting shield rep drones on each one. Im not willing to put my Orca in the belt to put larger drones on the hulks, im not going to turn a hulk loss into an Orca loss.

thoughts?

[Hulk, hihulk fit]

Modulated Strip Miner II
Modulated Strip Miner II
Modulated Strip Miner II

V-M15 Braced Multispectral Shield Matrix
V-M15 Braced Multispectral Shield Matrix
Small F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
Small F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction

F85 Peripheral Damage System I
Mining Laser Upgrade II

Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I


The 10% tiny shield resist from the Damage Control is not going to help in the situations Hulks find themselves in. May as well just put the 2nd Upgrade II in the Low slot.

The 2 Regolith shields are only adding a total of 450 HP to Shields. Keep one if you must, but you really do need a Survey Scanner on a Hulk. Also, it's OK to have an empty mid-slot..........

Now, tanking a legitimate non-botting Mackinaw....there is ADVENTURE TIME.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Skorpynekomimi
#8 - 2012-02-27 17:03:09 UTC
Buffer. Buffer buffer buffer buffer. Suicide ganks rely on pure alpha. Resisting them relies on being able to deal with burst damage, rather than nullsec rat damage over time.
So, extenders, resists, CORE SKILLS TO V, implants, all aim for resist or buffer. Also, pick up support skills to add HP.

If you know you're likely to be ganked in that system, greed will get you killed. Sod yield, go for max resists. Invulns/extenders in the mids, DC2 and PDU in the lows. Shield extend or resist rigs.
Group up! Use shield maintenance drones on each other! Put warfare links on the orca! Tank the orca, too, and give them shield drones as well! Keep some armour and hull drones around to help with post-gank repairs, too.

Of course, by far the best tank is to have a station around you.

Economic PVP
Monty Kvaran
State War Academy
Caldari State
#9 - 2012-02-27 19:41:44 UTC
Skorpynekomimi wrote:
Keep some armour and hull drones around to help with post-gank repairs, too.



Since when are there hull drones?
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#10 - 2012-02-27 20:09:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Krixtal Icefluxor
Skorpynekomimi wrote:


If you know you're likely to be ganked in that system, greed will get you killed.

If you know you're likely to be ganked in that system, go ELSEWHERE.

Much simpler advice than all that yield reducing shielding.

Skorpynekomimi wrote:


Of course, by far the best tank is to have a station around you.


What?


THIS......will not help at all.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#11 - 2012-02-27 20:12:13 UTC
Monty Kvaran wrote:
Skorpynekomimi wrote:
Keep some armour and hull drones around to help with post-gank repairs, too.



Since when are there hull drones?



Skorpy posts lots of nonsense.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Gahagan
White Moon Aeronautics
#12 - 2012-02-27 20:15:55 UTC
I go for a more resist-oriented fit. I can't vouch for how gank-resistant it is, nobody has done me the honor, but I'd assume it's pretty good.

Highs:

3x Mod Strip II

Mids:

Invuln II
EM Screen II
Kin Screen II

Lows:

DC II
MLU II

Rigs:

Medium Anti-EM
Medium Anti-Therm

Gives around 19k EHP and low to mid 80s for all resists with tank running. Yield is around 1400 m3 with T1 crystals.

If you're highsec mining I'd suggest drones, as belt rats can gnaw away a bit of shield and make ganks easier.

Sorry for not posting a pretty format. At work and don't have access to fancyfits.
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#13 - 2012-02-27 20:23:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Krixtal Icefluxor
Gahagan wrote:
I go for a more resist-oriented fit. I can't vouch for how gank-resistant it is, nobody has done me the honor, but I'd assume it's pretty good.



And you STILL bothered to post a useless fit ? And have NO testing of it on the field. Great advice here.....NOTRoll

When you assume........(you know the rest).

Gahagan wrote:


If you're highsec mining I'd suggest drones, as belt rats can gnaw away a bit of shield and make ganks easier.



And if those High Sec rats are eating more than even 1/20th (yes, one twentieth) of your Shield, something is fundamentally wrong somewhere already.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Julien Brellier
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2012-02-27 21:50:14 UTC
[Hulk, Hulk]
Mining Laser Upgrade II
Mining Laser Upgrade II

V-M15 Braced Multispectral Shield Matrix
Small C5-L Emergency Shield Overload I
Cap Recharger II
Survey Scanner II

Modulated Strip Miner II
Modulated Strip Miner II
Modulated Strip Miner II

Medium Cargohold Optimization I
Medium Cargohold Optimization I

Hobgoblin II x5
Mining Drone I x5

This setup is cap stable and will perma tank any highsec rats.
It has even survived a gank from a Brutix using T2 neutron blasters and faction ammo in a 0.5 system.
Zathryon
Amarr General Drilling and Construction
#15 - 2012-02-27 23:22:13 UTC
I dont fit survey scanners, I mine with 3 hulks under orca support so I just empty a belt of all the ores I want and move on.

I can fit a second MLU no matter what I try without sacrificing too much tank (i feel like) so Ill throw in a DCU for good measure. I will have shield drones repping each other and a shield gang link on the orca.

i think this is the best ive come up with

[Hulk, hisec]

Modulated Strip Miner II
Modulated Strip Miner II
Modulated Strip Miner II

Additional Thermal Barrier Emitter I
V-M15 Braced Multispectral Shield Matrix
V-M15 Braced Multispectral Shield Matrix
Viscoelastic EM Ward Salubrity I

F85 Peripheral Damage System I
Mining Laser Upgrade II

Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I


resists: 77.5 / 82 / 80.1 / 81.4
21.7k EHP

I could also change out the amp resistance for a shield extender and a shield hardener. It gets about 1k more EHP but a nasty hole in therm. resistance.

thoughts?
TravisWB
#16 - 2012-02-28 00:56:17 UTC
HISEC Hulk Tanking????

Its done like this:

Forget about AFK MINING.

Stay alert, keep moving, don't stay in any system long enough to be predictable.

Keep your cargo empty and when trouble approaches, park your Hulk in the Orca you brought along and bring out a HAC or something.
Fluffi Flaffi
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#17 - 2012-02-28 07:55:07 UTC
Julien Brellier wrote:
[Hulk, Hulk]
Mining Laser Upgrade II
Mining Laser Upgrade II

V-M15 Braced Multispectral Shield Matrix
Small C5-L Emergency Shield Overload I
Cap Recharger II
Survey Scanner II

Modulated Strip Miner II
Modulated Strip Miner II
Modulated Strip Miner II

Medium Cargohold Optimization I
Medium Cargohold Optimization I

Hobgoblin II x5
Mining Drone I x5

This setup is cap stable and will perma tank any highsec rats.
It has even survived a gank from a Brutix using T2 neutron blasters and faction ammo in a 0.5 system.


I would have blown your ship away in one run for sure! That it resists the Brutix just tells me, that the pilot of the Brutix failed completely, like you failed with this fitting as being good against suicidegankers. You just have been lucky because your Brutix (if this really happened) opponent had no clue what he is doing.

I repeat: NEVEREVER fit a sield booster in HiSec. There is no need for it. A Buffer Hulk can tank any NPC Rat spawn in HiSec and a Shield Booster just reduce your EHP as it occupies a medium slot!

Travis just gave another good advice: If you are afraid to beining ganked, do not mine afk and be careful where you mine.
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#18 - 2012-02-28 08:22:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Tau Cabalander
This is what I use. It works well with a Siege Warfare: Shield Harmonizing link on an Orca.

I don't AFK mine. I watch local and dscan. I overheat and GTFO if it looks risky, sacrificing the drones if need be (they are cheaper than a new Hulk). The Orca deals with belt rats.

You can substitute a Viscoelastic EM Ward Salubrity I for the Caldari Navy / Dread Guristas EM amplifier.

[Hulk, Hisec]
Damage Control II
Power Diagnostic System II

Invulnerability Field II
Caldari Navy Magnetic Scattering Amplifier
Additional Thermal Barrier Emitter I
Invulnerability Field II

Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II

Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I


Vespa EC-600 x5


This fit has more EHP, but I've not used it:


[Hulk, EHP]
Micro Auxiliary Power Core I
Damage Control II

Medium F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
Invulnerability Field II
Invulnerability Field II
V-M15 Braced Multispectral Shield Matrix

Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II

Medium Ancillary Current Router I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I


Vespa EC-600 x5
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#19 - 2012-02-28 12:00:30 UTC
Julien Brellier wrote:
[Hulk, Hulk]


Medium Cargohold Optimization I
Medium Cargohold Optimization I



Excellent tank but for this. Needs the EM Shield rig in one of these spots.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#20 - 2012-02-28 12:04:26 UTC
Zathryon wrote:
I dont fit survey scanners, I mine with 3 hulks under orca support so I just empty a belt of all the ores I want and move on.

I can fit a second MLU no matter what I try without sacrificing too much tank (i feel like) so Ill throw in a DCU for good measure. I will have shield drones repping each other and a shield gang link on the orca.

i think this is the best ive come up with

[Hulk, hisec]

Modulated Strip Miner II
Modulated Strip Miner II
Modulated Strip Miner II

Additional Thermal Barrier Emitter I
V-M15 Braced Multispectral Shield Matrix
V-M15 Braced Multispectral Shield Matrix
Viscoelastic EM Ward Salubrity I

F85 Peripheral Damage System I
Mining Laser Upgrade II

Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I


resists: 77.5 / 82 / 80.1 / 81.4
21.7k EHP

I could also change out the amp resistance for a shield extender and a shield hardener. It gets about 1k more EHP but a nasty hole in therm. resistance.

thoughts?


As I pointed out in the post above, one of those Rigs should be the EM resist rig. That will free up that mid slot. Your choice what to put there, better choices if you have the 5% CPU implant as well.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
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