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The Mittani Declares War

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Cailais
The Red Pill Taker Group
#141 - 2011-09-08 20:27:15 UTC
Jade Constantine wrote:

Past history though.


Interesting though that the t20 incident created such waves through the fabric of EVE that it effects its development even now.

Its entirely possible that history will recall that incident as the inciting moment of EVEs ultimate failure and collapse.

C.
Kengutsi Akira
Doomheim
#142 - 2011-09-08 20:29:18 UTC
Cailais wrote:
Jade Constantine wrote:

Past history though.


Interesting though that the t20 incident created such waves through the fabric of EVE that it effects its development even now.

Its entirely possible that history will recall that incident as the inciting moment of EVEs ultimate failure and collapse.

C.


IMO the part where they created the CSM and refused to fire T20 lol

"Is it fair that CCP can get away with..." :: checks ownership on the box ::

Yes
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
#143 - 2011-09-08 20:29:43 UTC
Elyssa MacLeod wrote:
so... when does Mittens' antics stop having player support as he's fairly apparently looking to increase his efame and not improve the game?

He's hurting the game with this crap.


Thats like blaming the canary for gas in the cold mine!

The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom
Carver DiGriz
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
#144 - 2011-09-08 20:30:21 UTC
Elyssa MacLeod wrote:
so... He's hurting the game with this crap.

No more than CCP, TBH.

Mittens :ccp:d himself, maybe, but CCP did it first.
Oglyn
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#145 - 2011-09-08 20:33:59 UTC
Jade Constantine wrote:


Thats like blaming the canary for gas in the cold mine!


At least if the gas levels were critical the canary would stop changing its tune, unlike....
Elyssa MacLeod
Doomheim
#146 - 2011-09-08 20:35:42 UTC
So let me get this straight, IF all the bad press stopped new subs, and created unsubbing to a point where the game was unrecoverable and CCP shut it down to focus on WoD, youd ENTIRELY blame CCP not the person that went to the news agencies (note I dont for a second buy the "wow all the news organizations just happened across my little old post" crap)?

GM Homonoia: Suicide ganks are a valid and viable tactic in EVE.

Where is your God now carebear?
Joffre Tremblant
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#147 - 2011-09-08 20:38:14 UTC
Elyssa MacLeod wrote:
So let me get this straight, IF all the bad press stopped new subs, and created unsubbing to a point where the game was unrecoverable and CCP shut it down to focus on WoD, youd ENTIRELY blame CCP not the person that went to the news agencies (note I dont for a second buy the "wow all the news organizations just happened across my little old post" crap)?

The goal isn't to get people to unsub and shut down EVE. It's to make CCP look bad and pressure the management into giving EVE more focus, instead of just ignoring the situation like they have been.
raker
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#148 - 2011-09-08 20:39:58 UTC

I have not been a big fan of mittens, I question his understanding of WH space and this has turned me off to his posts

However, now it has become clear that he has the backing of the CSM on this Fis issue, I do support him and all the CSM on this issue

I feel its a shame that after the mass outcry of vanity items and CCP's lack of response on that issue until it made bad press and with the leaking of emails and CCP having a wait till it cools down attitude, that they have learned nothing

I was hoping that after that issue CCP would of made sure that they reacted to any further outcry swiftly to avoid the same bad press and loss of subsriptions

It amazes me that CCP are again sitting with thier fingers in their ears pretending that nothing is going on, Surely they can see that a percentage of the playerbase have got tired of the Fis being on the back boiler whilst CCP put resources into other games

It seems to me that CCP are throwing the baby out with the bath water , and its time at least put something back into the game that made them able to start new ventures

A paying playerbase will only take it for so long before they just unsub and move on to another game, CCP seem to think that we all will just carry on and be good kids and buy lots of monocles so they can fund Dust

Thiers a saying " don't bite the hand that feeds you" I feel CCP are doing just that atm
The Mittani
State War Academy
Caldari State
#149 - 2011-09-08 20:40:12 UTC
Elyssa MacLeod wrote:
so... when does Mittens' antics stop having player support as he's fairly apparently looking to increase his efame and not improve the game?

He's hurting the game with this crap.


The entire CSM is worried about FiS neglect. You do an injustice to the danger the entire playerbase faces - stagnation and decline in EVE - by trying to paint this argument as something coming from me alone.

~hi~
The Mittani
State War Academy
Caldari State
#150 - 2011-09-08 20:40:20 UTC
oh wow doublepost

~hi~
EI Digin
irc.zulusquad.org
#151 - 2011-09-08 20:41:13 UTC
Elyssa MacLeod wrote:
So let me get this straight, IF all the bad press stopped new subs, and created unsubbing to a point where the game was unrecoverable and CCP shut it down to focus on WoD, youd ENTIRELY blame CCP not the person that went to the news agencies (note I dont for a second buy the "wow all the news organizations just happened across my little old post" crap)?


Sounds like you have battered person syndrome, really.

It's not a crime to calmly state legitimate facts about the game to people who want to start up playing.

Is it the person or group who wants to spread the facts fault that this is happening? Or should CCP have prevented this from happening in the first place?
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
#152 - 2011-09-08 20:47:28 UTC
Elyssa MacLeod wrote:
So let me get this straight, IF all the bad press stopped new subs, and created unsubbing to a point where the game was unrecoverable and CCP shut it down to focus on WoD ...


How do you think they'd pay for WoD in that case?

Quote:
youd ENTIRELY blame CCP not the person that went to the news agencies (note I dont for a second buy the "wow all the news organizations just happened across my little old post" crap)?


Mittani's antics are mittani's antics but he's saying nothing that hundreds if not thousands of other long term Eve players have said publicly this year. As CSM chair he is currently representing the frustration and anger of large sections of the eve player base.

Don't get me wrong. I have never liked Mittani - but in this he is doing the job he was elected to do and fighting for much needed development resources for Eve Online.



The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom
Elyssa MacLeod
Doomheim
#153 - 2011-09-08 20:51:27 UTC
You might wanna know, he was misquoted in the OP

see here

The Mittani wrote:
Elyssa MacLeod wrote:
The Mittani wrote:
Thomas Turnpoint wrote:
First time I've read posts by a number of CSM players.

What exactly are the requirements for candidates for CSM? Must be capable of trolling, grandstanding, have a condescending, pious attitude, and demonstrate proficiency at hurling degrading commentary that borders on questionable maturity levels?


You need to be good at politics, so - yes, absolutely. You also need to be good at getting people to do what you want, even if or /especially/ if they don't like you.


Well, youve "declared war" so when do you fire the first shot and call for unsubs?


Actually I didn't 'declare war'. Idiotic Eve-O posters said that I declared war.

GM Homonoia: Suicide ganks are a valid and viable tactic in EVE.

Where is your God now carebear?
The Mittani
State War Academy
Caldari State
#154 - 2011-09-08 20:52:38 UTC
Let's realtalk. When Jade Constantine, Trebor, myself and Seleene - who are all wildly different in attitude, personality, and have many reasons not to like each other - all agree that Things Are Awful With FiS Neglect, **** is real.

(I actually get along peachy with Trebor and Seleene these days, but it was Not Always The Case, and we come from very different places in EVE)

~hi~
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
#155 - 2011-09-08 21:04:24 UTC
The Mittani wrote:
Let's realtalk. When Jade Constantine, Trebor, myself and Seleene - who are all wildly different in attitude, personality, and have many reasons not to like each other - all agree that Things Are Awful With FiS Neglect, **** is real.

(I actually get along peachy with Trebor and Seleene these days, but it was Not Always The Case, and we come from very different places in EVE)


Yeah, actually says a lot that virtually all in-game conflicts have been rendered irrelevant by the situation that Eve finds itself in these days. Unless the player base can come together and convince CCP management that they are heading in the wrong direction and are sacrificing their own game to under-funded obsolescence, then any kind of political conflict between players is moot at this point.

There is literally nothing to play for in New Eden that has meaning if we cannot convince CCP to start funding core Eve game development again in a real and serious manner.

The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom
The Mittani
State War Academy
Caldari State
#156 - 2011-09-08 21:06:08 UTC
Jade Constantine wrote:
The Mittani wrote:
Let's realtalk. When Jade Constantine, Trebor, myself and Seleene - who are all wildly different in attitude, personality, and have many reasons not to like each other - all agree that Things Are Awful With FiS Neglect, **** is real.

(I actually get along peachy with Trebor and Seleene these days, but it was Not Always The Case, and we come from very different places in EVE)


Yeah, actually says a lot that virtually all in-game conflicts have been rendered irrelevant by the situation that Eve finds itself in these days. Unless the player base can come together and convince CCP management that they are heading in the wrong direction and are sacrificing their own game to under-funded obsolescence, then any kind of political conflict between players is moot at this point.

There is literally nothing to play for in New Eden that has meaning if we cannot convince CCP to start funding core Eve game development again in a real and serious manner.



Yeah, I +repped a Jade Constantine post. What up.

~hi~
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
#157 - 2011-09-08 21:10:39 UTC
The Mittani wrote:
Jade Constantine wrote:
The Mittani wrote:
Let's realtalk. When Jade Constantine, Trebor, myself and Seleene - who are all wildly different in attitude, personality, and have many reasons not to like each other - all agree that Things Are Awful With FiS Neglect, **** is real.

(I actually get along peachy with Trebor and Seleene these days, but it was Not Always The Case, and we come from very different places in EVE)


Yeah, actually says a lot that virtually all in-game conflicts have been rendered irrelevant by the situation that Eve finds itself in these days. Unless the player base can come together and convince CCP management that they are heading in the wrong direction and are sacrificing their own game to under-funded obsolescence, then any kind of political conflict between players is moot at this point.

There is literally nothing to play for in New Eden that has meaning if we cannot convince CCP to start funding core Eve game development again in a real and serious manner.



Yeah, I +repped a Jade Constantine post. What up.


Lol, just so they know we're serious I returned the favour.

The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#158 - 2011-09-08 21:10:48 UTC
Elyssa MacLeod wrote:
So let me get this straight, IF all the bad press stopped new subs, and created unsubbing to a point where the game was unrecoverable and CCP shut it down to focus on WoD, youd ENTIRELY blame CCP not the person that went to the news agencies (note I dont for a second buy the "wow all the news organizations just happened across my little old post" crap)?


The very worst result that mittens and the CSM can achieve is to put EVE out of it's misery more quickly rather than letting it gradually decay.

No, scratch that: the worst thing would be if he were to pretend nothing is wrong.

Being meek and co-operative was tried and it didn't work. What's your suggestion?

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Oglyn
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#159 - 2011-09-08 21:15:03 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Elyssa MacLeod wrote:
So let me get this straight, IF all the bad press stopped new subs, and created unsubbing to a point where the game was unrecoverable and CCP shut it down to focus on WoD, youd ENTIRELY blame CCP not the person that went to the news agencies (note I dont for a second buy the "wow all the news organizations just happened across my little old post" crap)?


The very worst result that mittens and the CSM can achieve is to put EVE out of it's misery more quickly rather than letting it gradually decay.

No, scratch that: the worst thing would be if he were to pretend nothing is wrong.

Being meek and co-operative was tried and it didn't work. What's your suggestion?



So long as people are raging CCP are getting press coverage and are still raking in the subs.
They don't care about :words: unless it hits their bottom line.
The argument is that Eve has stagnated, so they aren't worried about missing out on new subs through bad press.

The only threat to them is if people leave, which takes us back to my first sentence.
Richard Hammond II
Doomheim
#160 - 2011-09-08 21:24:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Richard Hammond II
The Mittani wrote:
Jade Constantine wrote:
The Mittani wrote:
Let's realtalk. When Jade Constantine, Trebor, myself and Seleene - who are all wildly different in attitude, personality, and have many reasons not to like each other - all agree that Things Are Awful With FiS Neglect, **** is real.

(I actually get along peachy with Trebor and Seleene these days, but it was Not Always The Case, and we come from very different places in EVE)


Yeah, actually says a lot that virtually all in-game conflicts have been rendered irrelevant by the situation that Eve finds itself in these days. Unless the player base can come together and convince CCP management that they are heading in the wrong direction and are sacrificing their own game to under-funded obsolescence, then any kind of political conflict between players is moot at this point.

There is literally nothing to play for in New Eden that has meaning if we cannot convince CCP to start funding core Eve game development again in a real and serious manner.



Yeah, I +repped a Jade Constantine post. What up.


ugh I liked a post Mittens liked, I feel dirty

Oglyn wrote:



So long as people are raging CCP are getting press coverage and are still raking in the subs.
They don't care about :words: unless it hits their bottom line.
The argument is that Eve has stagnated, so they aren't worried about missing out on new subs through bad press.

The only threat to them is if people leave, which takes us back to my first sentence.


Well given the rep of EVE in the first place, where the worst players go, there may not BE bad press

Goons; infiltration at its best - first bob... now ccp itself. They dont realize you guys dot take this as "just a game". Bring it down guys, we're rooting for you.