Jita Park Speakers Corner

I would like all (well, at least those that have anything to say in the subject) of CSM candidates to state their point of view on WH balancing/iterations/mechanics/tweaks/etc...

I would like to know what you think is broken and what works perfectly and should never be changed.

What would You like being added to WH and what taken away?

How do You see WH (as a gameplay style) fits in whole EVE gameplay experience?

Just in case it escapes the radar of candidates this topic might be of interest and might require commentary:

Oh I know, if you check my "stop apathy" thread in my sig you can see how I don't support the idea of large null sec alliances simply wishing to roll over WH residents with capitals.

Two Step, while being otherwise a decent candidate, seems intent on using intellectual dishonesty to further his campaign. Pray tell, Two Step, what is this wormhole stabilizer idea that was mentionned, how does it work, what caveats were mentionned. We talked about this very topic together with Soundwave, so I suppose you should be able to tell exactly what I am supposed to be advocating.

So I'll have to repeat myself again.

I don't care about a stabilizer, I want to see if a way can be found to prevent people from walling themselves in to an extent such that they are safe from harm, that idea is but one of the ideas that got talked about (and since two step crafted that part of the minutes, he obviously selected to leave every other consideration out). I'm not talking about opening everything up so every wormhole is easily entered, I'm talking about a situation where an attacker has at most the ability to get in 3 caps to the defender's 30+. The idea is not to create a place where any random group can storm any wormhole at will. Any change along those lines need to be a lot of effort. No place in Eve should be safe, and that applies to wormholes as well. This is an idea obviously not shared by AHARM. So I will still check if a solution can be found, I don't give a rat's ass the form it takes. The one thing that is important is that the overwhelming majority of the wormhole dwellers should find themselves in no worse off a position after a change like that than before.

As far as WH improvements go, I have continuously considered that Wormholes were one of the few things CCP got right from the start. I obviously advocated small changes that happened (like probing UI, faster anchoring/unanchoring, etc.) but others I have been advocating for have yet to come to the game, so I'll keep pushing for those. Among them you'd see T3 refitting, easier POS configuration, personal hangars, the ability to change implant set inside a wormhole (I offered using rorqs as a way of doing it, but I'm not attached to specific solutions, if CCP comes up with another way that meets the needs), etc.

Since WHs work fine as they are, I wouldn't recommend any large changes at this stage. The equilibrium that makes them a nice place for small entities to live is such that it needs to be handled carefully. So, it's more a question of improving living conditions, improving on content, and making sure changes that are introduced to other areas of the game integrate well with wormhole life.

I'm not sure I would be allowed to answer your question under the NDA. You certainly did discuss some restrictions, but the general idea I think is conveyed pretty well in the minutes.

As I have said many times, no entity in w-space is safe. If someone wanted to, they could certainly devote the time and effort required to remove even AHARM from our system. The key is that it would take time and effort, and nowhere *near* as much time and effort as we spent building it up. Just because R&K wasn't (and apparently isn't) willing to put in that time and effort doesn't make it impossible. As mentioned by Aiifa above, the attacker has the massive advantage of knowing when they will attack, and can certainly seed the system with enough capitals if they are willing to put in the time scanning and chain collapsing.

Anything that lets people put more mass through a wormhole would hurt smaller entities way more than it would help people attack large groups. That is why I oppose it, because it would be something that ruin the ability of small groups to live in w-space without constant attack from the big guys.

I don't see how you can advocate for something that would change the basic mechanics of w-space and yet still say you aren't advocating for large changes.

For what it's worth I haven't spent a huge amount of time in WH space and as such I feel i'm unqualified to comment.

It does seem however it would take a fair bit of consultation to achieve the desired result (assuming anything does need changing)

generally also, "take Two Step's side in an argument about w-space if Meissa is disagreeing with him"

I believe a situation where pilots are asked to stay offline for weeks at a time while their mates are chain collapsing to find an entrance (one does not just walk into a wormhole, it can take more than a week to find one) to be undesirable.
If that is your suggestion, well, then I don't have much more to say.


Indeed, and that's why I'm not advocating for that, as you know very well but repeatedly fail to mention.
Allowing more mass, constantly or timed, by means of ships or modules, from one side or the other, are but a few of the ideas that are discussed, including by you if you remember the various options and the back and forth we have been having with devs on the issue.

The dishonesty is not in saying I'm looking for a potential solution to what I perceive to be an issue, but in saying that I advocate for a solution that is not one in light of the collateral damage it would cause. Something I don't do... This is where you're dishonest.

I don't have a solution, I don't even spend much time looking for one, which is why I'm not advocating any.

Worm-space, best space.

(Oh, and nicely played back-pedal, Meissa. Very...aaah...adroit. It's why there's no way in Hell that I'd ever vote for you.)

Against a decently sized alliance controlling a wormhole, probing from within is not going to work, particularly in C6s, because you'd need to find a link between whatever system you end up in and lowsec/null/another WH to get your caps in, giving the owner ample time to bring the exit/entrance on the brink of collapse. There's a fixed number of WHs that lead out of a given wormhole.

So the burden is unduly high against someone who walls themselves in.


Nope, which is why this irritates me. I have never had any issue defending unpopular measures I thought were beneficial, feel free to look at my track record. If I thought this idea was the one to go for, I'd be defending it tooth and nails. I don't...

I don't have any issue with someone voting for someone other than me, particularly if that other candidate is a decent one (which Two step mostly is, in the "one trick pony" category). But if you decide not to vote for me, at least do so because you actually disagree with me, not because you disagree with what you think I said.