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Returning player asking about all things Frigate......

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Barrak
The Painted Ones
#1 - 2012-02-25 09:19:57 UTC
Hey,

Going to be returning to the game over the course of the next month. Just want to get to grips on where the game is now and move things around before I jump right back in (only been abscent for 5 months)

My whole EvE life revolved around Frigate hulls. I was active in RvB, solo Frigate PvP and Minnie FW missions (SB's).

I wanted to know what the impact of the changes in Assault ships has had on the game when it comes to Frigate Hulls; both PvP and economics.

I appreciate my question is a little general, but I either PvP in Frigates or I run FW missions to sell Firetails. So, as an example of a direct question; is there still a market for Firetails due to the changes to Assault ships?

Regards

Barrak
Ahrieman
Codex Praedonum
Divine Damnation
#2 - 2012-02-25 09:45:44 UTC
Yes there is still a market for firetail despite the recent AF buff. Many of the navy faction frigs remain popular for 2 reasons: cost and speed. The assault frigs have gone up in price, as a whole, and while AFs have good tanks and dps, they tend to be slow by comparison.

As for flying frigs, the new AFs are great, the dram got nerfed, the DD got buffed to ridiculous levels (via the hybrid buff), and hybrid frigs are good. Null got a range bonus as well and Hail can hit more than the broad side of a barn now.

I think you will enjoy flying frigs again. Additionally, changes for T1 frigs might be on the way. So that could be exciting too!

Solo Rifter since 2009

Barrak
The Painted Ones
#3 - 2012-02-25 09:56:23 UTC
Ahrieman wrote:
Yes there is still a market for firetail despite the recent AF buff. Many of the navy faction frigs remain popular for 2 reasons: cost and speed. The assault frigs have gone up in price, as a whole, and while AFs have good tanks and dps, they tend to be slow by comparison.

As for flying frigs, the new AFs are great, the dram got nerfed, the DD got buffed to ridiculous levels (via the hybrid buff), and hybrid frigs are good. Null got a range bonus as well and Hail can hit more than the broad side of a barn now.

I think you will enjoy flying frigs again. Additionally, changes for T1 frigs might be on the way. So that could be exciting too!


Might finally be able to return to my roots as a Caldari pilot and rock with my Hybrids :)
T0RT0ISE
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#4 - 2012-02-25 10:43:44 UTC
Hookbills and Hawks are both very good too if you are Caldari oriented.
Barrak
The Painted Ones
#5 - 2012-02-25 10:51:37 UTC
T0RT0ISE wrote:
Hookbills and Hawks are both very good too if you are Caldari oriented.


Sounds like I'm gonna have to EFT warrior it for a few weeks too......

Have the extra slots dramatically changed the balance of AF's now?
T0RT0ISE
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#6 - 2012-02-25 11:01:08 UTC
You have to spend quite a bit on a hawk to make real significant use of the extra slot but they are definitely tougher to fight now. Same goes for all AF's. more deeps, more ehp, nos fits in many cases which help fight larger ships. They are still slow though so don't believe they make every other frig obsolete.

Check out the destroyers too since they lost their rate of fire penalty. Might be cheap fun for you while you get back into the swing of things.
Barrak
The Painted Ones
#7 - 2012-02-25 12:16:32 UTC
T0RT0ISE wrote:
Check out the destroyers too since they lost their rate of fire penalty. Might be cheap fun for you while you get back into the swing of things.


Completely forgot about those changes........ was never really that into them but they are cheap, which is always nice :)
Ahrieman
Codex Praedonum
Divine Damnation
#8 - 2012-02-25 16:34:11 UTC
Barrak wrote:
T0RT0ISE wrote:
Hookbills and Hawks are both very good too if you are Caldari oriented.


Sounds like I'm gonna have to EFT warrior it for a few weeks too......

Have the extra slots dramatically changed the balance of AF's now?


If by balance, you mean making the ones that sucked before not suck now? Then YES. Enyo is pretty sick. Retribution got a 2nd mid. Hawk and harpy have awesome mids. Vengeance can tank like a boss. Jag is no longer the WTF pwnmobile that it used to be, but it's in line with the other AF's.

Wolf and ishkur are still good. The AF's are a great ship class right now despite a few of them being a little broken (read: Harpy).

Destroyers would be a cheap and forgiving way to get back into the swing of things. Coercer still has 1 mid, but any decent coercer pilot will be able to get plenty of kills with it. Cormorant is tough to fit well, but can be pretty sick even. Thrasher and catalyst are pretty OP.

Solo Rifter since 2009

Zarnak Wulf
Task Force 641
Empyrean Edict
#9 - 2012-02-25 17:24:54 UTC
Ahrieman wrote:

Wolf and ishkur are still good. The AF's are a great ship class right now despite a few of them being a little broken (read: Harpy).



Better not let Liang here you say that.
T0RT0ISE
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#10 - 2012-02-25 18:33:18 UTC
Liang needs to chill. Opinions are like assholes :D
Ahrieman
Codex Praedonum
Divine Damnation
#11 - 2012-02-25 19:01:00 UTC
For the record, Liang flew his Blarpy before the buff. He knows it's OP and should not be faulted because he flies a ship that gives him advantages within its class. If more people had the skill sets to fly it and realized how good it was, more people would fly it. Unless it gets nerfed to a point of uselessness, I'm sure he will continue to fly it.

To not fly a ship that's broken or OP just because it's broken or OP is to unnecessarily put yourself at a disadvantage in PvP. Remember drams before the nerf?

Solo Rifter since 2009

T0RT0ISE
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#12 - 2012-02-25 19:07:33 UTC
I specifically DIDNT fly it before the buff because I thought it was OP then :P

I never fly Rifters either (Taranis / Incursus ftw :D )

But im an idiot.

Having said that I have no qualms currently using dessies to combat the prevalence of AFs at this time. I'll go back to something less 'feared' in time although to be honest, Dessies are not being feared by these AF's at the moment... Probably because they are failry evenly matched it seems.
Meditril
Hoplite Brigade
Ushra'Khan
#13 - 2012-02-25 20:10:45 UTC
Before you take out your shiny frigate out of the hangar you should consider to inform yourself about the new thread to frigate pilots: the Tier 3 BC, they have incredibly high scan res and can insta-pop you easily from medium to long range. So keep your fingers close to the warp or jump button if one of them appears on Grid.
T0RT0ISE
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#14 - 2012-02-26 03:35:46 UTC
Or learn to close range without spamming approach and trow sand at dem batty.
Brotha Umad
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#15 - 2012-02-27 16:09:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Brotha Umad
Quote:
Or learn to close range without spamming approach and trow sand at dem batty.

Disregarding Harpy and neglecting Talos's tracking of doom in the same thread...
That's it, I'm opening a cyno for liang to come over and show you the one truth.

OP, there might still be a niche market for the Firetail but it did shrink by quite a bit lately. Be sure to check prices and market volume again before buying new BPC's.
Ahrieman
Codex Praedonum
Divine Damnation
#16 - 2012-02-27 18:06:43 UTC
There is a niche market for the Firetail and if you are in Minnie FW areas, you should be able to make a profit on them. TBH, they are just too easily outclassed by all of the other Navy faction frigs.

I fly them for 3 reasons: minmatar spec'd, cheap, and underestimated (people are very willing to fight a Firetail).

Solo Rifter since 2009

Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#17 - 2012-02-27 18:44:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Petrus Blackshell
Rifters all the way.

Frigate PvP is alive and well in lowsec from what I've seen, but in nullsec it's a bit... um... dead. I left 0.0 because of that.

In a gang, T1 frigates are great. T2 frigates are also pretty awesome, and AFs are beautiful now. The faction frigates are pretty cool too. Destroyers are now amazing, so long as you don't take too much fire.

For railgun Caldari, look into a Merlin fit with 75mm railguns, rockets, an afterburner, scram, and a MSE/invuln tank with a DCU. It gets AF levels of tank, while doing decent amounts of DPS at 5-6 km, or closer if you load Javelin ammo into your rails (close range rail/beam/arty ammo was buffed and actually works now). You can also look into dual web Cormorant, which is a really inexpensive, underestimated, and quite powerful fit. Unfortunate (or perhaps fortunate) part is it really cannot fit with T2 fittings.

Also, one last note: be careful attacking Ahrieman, Liang, or Hahbahdishdoo (or whatever his name is), particularly if it happens to be in Amamake. They are cool people, but very good frigate pilots and have command ship T3 boosts in system. I would not bet on you winning.

Accidentally The Whole Frigate - For-newbies blog (currently on pause)

Ahrieman
Codex Praedonum
Divine Damnation
#18 - 2012-02-28 21:26:11 UTC
Petrus Blackshell wrote:


They are cool people, but very good frigate pilots and have command ship T3 boosts in system.



Very good, LOL! Thank you Petrus. You made my day. On a related note, my plan is going just as planned Pirate

1) Fly frigates
2) Convince people I'm "very good" (despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary)
3) ??????
4) PROFIT

Solo Rifter since 2009

Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#19 - 2012-02-28 21:28:57 UTC
Ahrieman wrote:
Petrus Blackshell wrote:


They are cool people, but very good frigate pilots and have command ship T3 boosts in system.



Very good, LOL! Thank you Petrus. You made my day. On a related note, my plan is going just as planned Pirate

1) Fly frigates
2) Convince people I'm "very good" (despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary)
3) ??????
4) PROFIT

I know how you feel, people have told me I'm good too, but I know I am utterly terrible and can present evidence to support that. It might be the fate of all those who lose frigate after frigate after frigate.

Accidentally The Whole Frigate - For-newbies blog (currently on pause)

Ahrieman
Codex Praedonum
Divine Damnation
#20 - 2012-02-28 21:33:21 UTC
On a related note, I have been flying Rifters a lot more lately since it's way easier to get someone to fight a Rifter than a thrasher, AF, or whatever else. As a result, my K:D ratio has fallen quite a bit when soloing.

Petrus, I think most people just mistake having a pair for having talent.

Solo Rifter since 2009

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