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The Claytons unsub
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Si Omega
Doomheim
#1 - 2011-09-08 03:45:27 UTC
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Claytons is the brand name of a non-alcoholic, non-carbonated beverage coloured and packaged to resemble bottled whisky. It was the subject of a major marketing campaign in Australia and New Zealand in the 1970s and 1980s, promoting it as "the drink you have when you're not having a drink" at a time when alcohol was being targeted as a major factor in the road toll.

Although the product is no longer being actively marketed, the name has entered into Australian and New Zealand vernacular where it represents a "poor substitute" or "an ineffective solution to a problem".


Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claytons

Now we got that sorted.

I've seen a lot of posts from unsubs ranting about quitting, bla bla bla. Fine, bye...

BUT, one of things I've noticed in nearly ALL of them.

I've unsubbed, BUT my account doesn't run out until x month.

So did you unsub or not?

or....

1) You wanted to make a public statement that we're all supposed to be shocked and horrified to read (when in reality we don't give a ****)
2) You want to keep your options open just in case you realise later that you actually do like Eve and really do want to play it and hope nobody notices you sneak back?
3) You unsubbed 1 or 2 excess accounts and kept the other 5
4) You think people actually care and you want a hug?
5) Your mom told you to get your damn grades sorted and you need to quit with some dignity intact?

If you REALLY unsubbed and quit etc. then you won't be reading this and all the players that have stayed can get a laugh at your expense.

Have a nice day Twisted
Herping yourDerp
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2011-09-08 03:56:23 UTC
many people pay per year since it offers a nice discount, so yes i would guess they are unsubbing
Simetraz
State War Academy
Caldari State
#3 - 2011-09-08 03:58:56 UTC
Oh YEH well I also unsubbed all my accounts....

Wait minute... what game is this... Oh never mind, they are still all active Oops

EVERYBODY KNOWS
Si Omega
Doomheim
#4 - 2011-09-08 04:05:42 UTC
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so yes i would guess they are unsubbing


Subbed == subscription paid yes?
UNsubbed == subscription not paid?
Living Dead Girl
Doomheim
#5 - 2011-09-08 04:09:58 UTC
Si Omega wrote:

BUT, one of things I've noticed in nearly ALL of them.

I've unsubbed, BUT my account doesn't run out until x month.

So did you unsub or not?






Many people buy multi-month subscriptions. if someone unsubs, they have effectivly simply stopped renewing. the sub will continue UNTIL the current amount of time payed for has expired. (CCP doesnt give refunds except under extreme circumstances, IE fraud/ect).



Altho i will agree, far too many threads popping up about this. If your unhappy, unsub. there is a "Post here if your unsubbing" thread. post your story/reasoning there.

The Goal Isn't To live Forever, It's To Create Something That Does.
Sir Substance
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2011-09-08 04:24:34 UTC
Si Omega wrote:
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so yes i would guess they are unsubbing


Subbed == subscription paid yes?
UNsubbed == subscription not paid?

The concept is really not hard to wrap your head around. Please try and keep up with the rest of us, or I'll have to relegate you to the short bus.

The beatings will continue until posting improves. -Magnus Cortex

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Alxea
Unstable Pirate Sharks Of The Damed Sea
#7 - 2011-09-08 04:25:46 UTC
Gone bye bye nobody will miss you wile letting the door hit you on the way out. Also to prove you have really unsubbed give me all your stuff and I will confirm you really are leaving the game. Any other response will simply prove you have not because it takes a long time to quit eve.
Tyrnaeg en Varche
#8 - 2011-09-08 04:33:58 UTC
People not happy with the game can also DELETE their characters, while unsubbing. That would be making a point, everything else is just showing off.
Living Dead Girl
Doomheim
#9 - 2011-09-08 04:40:30 UTC
Tyrnaeg en Varche wrote:
People not happy with the game can also DELETE their characters, while unsubbing. That would be making a point, everything else is just showing off.



Now that i think about it for a second, Saying ANYTHING if you unsub is simply "Showing Off"

CCP Will see the :metrics:.

The only purpose for those threads in my opinion is to either a.) Vent frustration with CCP (there is a "Reason" box when you unsub that fits this perfectly) or b.) Just want a "look at me look at me!" thread.

The Goal Isn't To live Forever, It's To Create Something That Does.
Si Omega
Doomheim
#10 - 2011-09-08 04:44:46 UTC
and is my whole point living dead girl thingy.

How can CCP take ANY char seriously that "unsubs" publically when in reality they're still subbed. i.e SAYING

A REAL protest would be DELETING the char. That isn't happening. i.e. DOING

Maybe that's what CCP meant after all Blink
I Love Boobies
All Hail Boobies
#11 - 2011-09-08 05:16:42 UTC
Oh the irony of it all. Blink
The Offerer
Doomheim
#12 - 2011-09-08 05:54:58 UTC
If players are not telling the truth, this graph would look differently.
Si Omega
Doomheim
#13 - 2011-09-08 06:22:00 UTC
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If players are not telling the truth, this graph would look differently.


That's ppl logging/not logging. That's not the "unsubs". Different metric.
Smagd
Encina Technologies
#14 - 2011-09-08 07:31:02 UTC
Si Omega wrote:
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If players are not telling the truth, this graph would look differently.


That's ppl logging/not logging. That's not the "unsubs". Different metric.


What he is saying is that the percentage of subscribed accounts logging on should stay relatively constant, while you hold that it may also have been influenced.

Personally, I kind of doubt this game has recently improved so much that ever more people are now paying subscriptions just because how cool the game is - with more and more not actually playing it.
Mag's
Azn Empire
#15 - 2011-09-08 07:40:56 UTC
Si Omega wrote:
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If players are not telling the truth, this graph would look differently.


That's ppl logging/not logging. That's not the "unsubs". Different metric.
We don't get the subscriber number information any more as CCP decided we didn't need to see it. Take from that what you will. Blink

As far as accounts are concerned, you obviously don't understand how they work and just how situational it can be.

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
Barbelo Valentinian
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2011-09-08 07:43:33 UTC
Si Omega wrote:
and is my whole point living dead girl thingy.

How can CCP take ANY char seriously that "unsubs" publically when in reality they're still subbed. i.e SAYING

A REAL protest would be DELETING the char. That isn't happening. i.e. DOING

Maybe that's what CCP meant after all Blink


Jesus wept.

CCP take them seriously if and when, a few months down the line, a certain amount of their revenue stream will have disappeared. Lots of people are on 3 month, 6 months and yearly subscriptions. To cancel a yearly subcription is to still be legitimately playing the game at the moment, and to still have a right to post in the forums.

Most of the people who are unsubbing don't "hate EVE" or wish it to "die", and may indeed return if the game is sorted out to their satisfaction - they're showing their displeasure with the way CCP is running the game at the moment, in the only way that CCP will understand.

So all this tremulous hurfing and durfing is pointless. Nobody knows the exact figures, except we know it's going to be at least a few thousand, and we know that logins have gone down a bit. If there's been enough unsubs, then CCP will probably take note; on the other hand, maybe they're confident they can replace those players with new, shiney ones. I doubt it, but it's their gamble.
Niccy
Imtec inc.
#17 - 2011-09-08 08:17:00 UTC
Si Omega wrote:
and is my whole point living dead girl thingy.

How can CCP take ANY char seriously that "unsubs" publically when in reality they're still subbed. i.e SAYING

A REAL protest would be DELETING the char. That isn't happening. i.e. DOING

Maybe that's what CCP meant after all Blink


I don't think I will be renewing my alt accounts. Is that not protest enough?
From CCP's perspective they will have lost a couple of subscribers, while I can still train my main char in case CCP ever gets their act together again.

Although you do have a point, I am talking about this because you brought it up. If you wouldn't have, I would have done exactly what CCP (or Hilmar) wants me to do, actions instead of words. saying you left or are about to leave seems to do do very little.
Si Omega
Doomheim
#18 - 2011-09-08 08:42:48 UTC
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Most of the people who are unsubbing...... and may indeed return if the game is sorted out to their satisfaction


As I said. a Clayton's unsub. For mine, it's all P*** and W***, sitting at a keyboard screaming "i'm unsubbing" when you intend to hang around. It means absolutely f all.

Either say I quit and actually quit or grow a pair, get in your spaceship and start flying (you know FiS!!!)...

Along the way, jump in the forums, say g'day and cough up some constructive criticism when s*** REALLY goes bad, not destructive negativity learned by being spoiled brats who didn't win a lollipop at the local fair.

Eve will improve just by doing THAT small thing...... I'll see ya out there somewhere.

Or not. (I don't actually know if your all still playing dammit). Cry
Sir Substance
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#19 - 2011-09-08 09:28:00 UTC
Si Omega wrote:
a Clayton's unsub.

Just so we can be completely clear on this, I've heard the phrase "the X you have when you aren't having an X" fewer then ten times in my life, and the use of Claytons as a description even less.

Either you:

a) Aren't Australian, and are doing as smashing a job of misinterpreting Aussie culture as those Americans who come over here and use "dead horse" to refer to tomato sauce, thinking its authentic or some ****, OR
b) are occa as hell, in a bizarrely backwards 1980's way

I don't really care which it is, but stop being such a try-hard. Thank you.

The beatings will continue until posting improves. -Magnus Cortex

Official Eve Online changelist: Togglable PvP. - Jordanna Bauer
Capn Orgasmo
Dmacks Minnions
#20 - 2011-09-08 09:32:09 UTC
Sir Substance wrote:
Si Omega wrote:
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so yes i would guess they are unsubbing


Subbed == subscription paid yes?
UNsubbed == subscription not paid?

The concept is really not hard to wrap your head around. Please try and keep up with the rest of us, or I'll have to relegate you to the short bus.



I say old sir,

Have you unsubbed or are you subbed or are you subbed in a substance with an unsubbed sub?
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