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Bat Country's War on Bots
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Grog Barrel
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#161 - 2012-02-28 12:05:18 UTC
[insert random tool's cheap propaganda message here]
Johnny Marzetti
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#162 - 2012-02-28 15:13:26 UTC
Lady Spink wrote:

What we could do to end the Goonswarm (and its renters) bot setups is to allow 10 of my toons into an existing GS corporation f.e. Goonwaffe. This way i can spy up 10 systems at the same time. I will do the bot reporting and comms with ccp so you don't have to spend time on it.

Let me know if you agree to this. keep in mind that this will end the GS fedaration very fast so please make sure that it is all worth it for you.

I need to do this with other alliances as well. However they are not whining on the forums that they are actually doing good for the game that they are removing bots from high sec. they just gank and have the mining tears.


I can arrange this for you because I'm sure you will not find any of the activity you claim exists. However, I need to be sure you're not going to get into our alliance just to awox, and since this is a public thing it could be a huge embarrassment if you do, so it won't be possible without a billion isk security deposit for each toon to be returned after one month. However, I'm so certain that you will not find anything that I will refund you double that if you do find any botters.

I'm good for it and have the authority to do this, but I can have a director verify that for you if you wish.
Lady Spink
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#163 - 2012-02-28 15:23:42 UTC
Johnny Marzetti wrote:
I can arrange this for you because I'm sure you will not find any of the activity you claim exists. However, I need to be sure you're not going to get into our alliance just to awox, and since this is a public thing it could be a huge embarrassment if you do, so it won't be possible without a billion isk security deposit for each toon to be returned after one month. However, I'm so certain that you will not find anything that I will refund you double that if you do find any botters.

I'm good for it and have the authority to do this, but I can have a director verify that for you if you wish.


Ok that sounds fine will it be a scam or not? From what I understand, GS is a noble Alliance without any history of ganking and scamming.

This is between you and me. ssssht. The numbers are unhuman so i don't really need to get into the systems. It would be the task for CCP to balance the game and remove the bots from the systems mentioned above.

But for me it would be a perfect way to kill blues once i am inside a GS corporation. This would be really funny you know! it's nearly the same thrill as ganking high sec miners!

Anyways, to whom shall i wire the ISK's to get invited to Goonwaffe?
ConranAntoni
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#164 - 2012-02-28 15:31:37 UTC
Praise be to the swarm in their crusade against the sinister skynet mining bots.


Now do EvE a favour and headshot riverini.

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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#165 - 2012-02-28 16:11:56 UTC
ConranAntoni wrote:


Now do EvE a favour and headshot riverini.


Duh, doesn't he do that by himself quite good?

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arcca jeth
Dark Alliance
#166 - 2012-02-28 16:30:46 UTC  |  Edited by: arcca jeth
Lady Spink wrote:
Johnny Marzetti wrote:
I can arrange this for you because I'm sure you will not find any of the activity you claim exists. However, I need to be sure you're not going to get into our alliance just to awox, and since this is a public thing it could be a huge embarrassment if you do, so it won't be possible without a billion isk security deposit for each toon to be returned after one month. However, I'm so certain that you will not find anything that I will refund you double that if you do find any botters.

I'm good for it and have the authority to do this, but I can have a director verify that for you if you wish.


Ok that sounds fine will it be a scam or not? From what I understand, GS is a noble Alliance without any history of ganking and scamming.

This is between you and me. ssssht. The numbers are unhuman so i don't really need to get into the systems. It would be the task for CCP to balance the game and remove the bots from the systems mentioned above.

But for me it would be a perfect way to kill blues once i am inside a GS corporation. This would be really funny you know! it's nearly the same thrill as ganking high sec miners!

Anyways, to whom shall i wire the ISK's to get invited to Goonwaffe?


you aren't seriously falling for the deposit scam are you? lmao

*edit* had me there for a second
Johnny Marzetti
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#167 - 2012-02-28 16:39:04 UTC
Don't listen to that guy.

You can just send the isk to me, but you can verify with any GoonWaffe director if you need to.
Astrid Stjerna
Sebiestor Tribe
#168 - 2012-02-28 16:47:03 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Besides the "23/7" and the calling pilots with patterns (i.e. Joe01, Joe02 etc) I don't see any way to discern between a bot and an human


Unfortunately, even if a reliable system can be found, there will eventually be a way around it. CCP has more anti-bot tools available than we're made aware of on a day-to-day basis, but to maintain the effectiveness of their arsenal, they (and most other MMO companies) generally don't advertise their tactics.

Bots are a scourge, innocent people get caught in the crossfire. That's what it boils down to. We're fighting a kind of electronic 'cold war', where the only advantage is one that hasn't been discovered yet.

We're fighting a kind of electronic 'cold war', where the only advantage is one that hasn't been discovered yet.

I can't get rid of my darn signature!  Oh, wait....
Johnny Marzetti
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#169 - 2012-02-28 17:16:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Johnny Marzetti
Lady Spink wrote:
doyilooki wrote:
Did you think about this all by yourself? Oops


No i just misread statistics.


Fixed that for you.

Quote:

YZ-UKA Champion 14000 kills per day.


350-400 jumps per day doesn't strike you as a lot for a backwater system that has no outpost?

In general, your list of suspect systems seems to correlate lower truesec with more ratting. Congrats on finding out that people prefer to rat in systems with better rats.

Also, some of those systems see a lot of hostile roaming gangs (basically anything near VFK--check ship/pod kills) and would be incredibly stupid places to bot. But wire me that isk and see for yourself if you don't believe me. Just promise you'll tell everyone the truth.
Lady Spink
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#170 - 2012-02-28 17:59:56 UTC
Johnny Marzetti wrote:
Also, some of those systems see a lot of hostile roaming gangs (basically anything near VFK--check ship/pod kills) and would be incredibly stupid places to bot. But wire me that isk and see for yourself if you don't believe me. Just promise you'll tell everyone the truth.



Well i just went down 5 systems on that list and couldn't find a single pvp kill

You don't have to lie, i mean, I don't care about the bots you are not using in the Alliance. I just care about the real sins you are committing on the forums.

Don't pretend to be a honorable knight while you are just a bored crook.

I would have never done the research if you would make a topic:

"We are too bored for our 0.0 systems So we kill miners and we like their tears"

Even with this title you can masquerade the possibility of market manipulation but i guess most people wont even accumulate that to the sins of GS.
Johnny Marzetti
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#171 - 2012-02-28 18:21:10 UTC
Lady Spink wrote:

Well i just went down 5 systems on that list and couldn't find a single pvp kill

lol okay well with your amazing dotlan skills i think you should go ahead and make your case to ccp
Quote:

You don't have to lie, i mean, I don't care about the bots you are not using in the Alliance. I just care about the real sins you are committing on the forums.

Don't pretend to be a honorable knight while you are just a bored crook.

How dare you attempt to tarnish the legendary honour of the space knights of Goonswarm federation? A reputation we go to great lengths to cultivate and preserve through our noble actions and righteous behavior.
Nephilius
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#172 - 2012-02-28 21:43:36 UTC
The Sardukar wrote:
The Sardukar wrote:
Razzor Death wrote:
The Sardukar wrote:
Chribba wrote:
If only you were able to hit the spam bots too that sit in station 23.5/7 spamming...


Not to mention the ratting bots running around Deklein and surrounding regions Roll


heh let me guess, you read that on Evenew24 the site most famous for publishing a full blown guide on botting.



You guess wrong


"One of our illustrious members (let's call him "Ibertizzle") keeps losing Tengus to Russians and French people. This is a sensitive - even a touchy - subject, so let me say that while he is, indeed, a keen ratter - a very keen ratter if we are honest - we have one rule in Goonswarm: we don't **** other goons. Oh and we don't play cop for CCP in their own game by reporting or petitioning goons, either: that's Darius Johnson's job."

The Mittani, September 28, 2011
(source: Kugu)


Ah, you beat me to it.

"If."
Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
#173 - 2012-02-28 23:14:10 UTC
Valentyn3 wrote:
Well, they are certainly the saviors of the General Discusion forums. If it weren't for all this E-drama we might still be subjected to tards crying for Drake nerfs.


Apropos nothing else whatsoever, Darius III calls it bang-on right, when he say the much-bruit'ed-about (maybe/maybe not; We still don't know if it will happen, or what form it will take if it does) Drake nerf is an "abomination."

It totally is on so many levels, it's not even funny.

Now, back to our regularly scheduled programme.

Star Wars: the Old Republic may not be EVE. But I'll take the sound of dual blaster-pistols over "NURVV CLAOKING NAOW!!!11oneone!!" any day of the week.
Endeavour Starfleet
#174 - 2012-02-28 23:56:12 UTC
Razzor Death wrote:
The Sardukar wrote:
From twitter (EnderCapitalG is a member of Goonwaffe)

Andrew Wiggin‏@EnderCapitalG: So CCP went through and hit a lot of hbot users today. Don't run them 23.5/7 next time guys
Andrew Wiggin‏@EnderCapitalG: Oh man. Just talked to several bot users and they said they were only hit with a 14 day ban


You deliver every time


Can you detail whats going on here then and what Goons plan to do about this issue?
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#175 - 2012-02-28 23:57:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Alavaria Fera
Was he talking to drone region people? We really should invade drone region to get minerals for our Tit- oh wait, they're being nerfed.
Johnny Marzetti wrote:
How dare you attempt to tarnish the legendary honour of the space knights of Goonswarm federation? A reputation we go to great lengths to cultivate and preserve through our noble actions and righteous behavior.

Tsk.

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Lady Spink
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#176 - 2012-02-29 00:11:30 UTC
Btw it seems that the bat country gankers have been banned now.

I dont see any recent ganking kills anymore.


Thanks CCP

*Getting back in my mack now
Valentyn3
Deep Core Mining Inc.
#177 - 2012-02-29 00:16:41 UTC
Lady Spink wrote:
Btw it seems that the bat country gankers have been banned now.

I dont see any recent ganking kills anymore.


Thanks CCP

*Getting back in my mack now


Where/when was this made public? Even if it's true, they don't seem like the kind of people to let something like a banning keep them from playing.

I don't always use hax. But when I do, it's because I'm an NPC.. http://i.imgur.com/PUZou.jpg
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#178 - 2012-02-29 00:28:09 UTC
Did they reach 1000 bots already? That was fast.

op success!

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Reaver Glitterstim
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#179 - 2012-02-29 01:30:53 UTC
Goods: they'll troll you and be serious at the same time.

Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Valentyn3 wrote:

I'd say a great indicator is no reaction to being targeted when the guy next to you just got popped.


This only applies to minerals mining. Ice miners have like 12 to 18 minutes long cycles, you could pop half a belt before they alt tab back to check what's going on.

Edit:
actually, while a real pilot will not stay forever watching paint ehm roids dry, a bot can be programmed to always check for flagged corp / ship kinds in local / arriving at belt and warp out. So the bot escapes, the real player does not.

Besides the "23/7" and the calling pilots with patterns (i.e. Joe01, Joe02 etc) I don't see any way to discern between a bot and an human.

Only basic way is to pop them and see if the pod keeps going from belt to station and vice versa, but I have noticed some bots now detect the pop and don't warp the pod to belt. They stay just outside of the station.


In my experience, bots will completely ignore me until I fire upon them. I figure the best way to check if they're a bot is to try to message them and wait until they leave the belt and come back. If they're not botting, they will have seen your popup to chat with them. That requires patience, though, so it's all a matter of whether or not you deem saving the players to be a worthy enough cause.

FT Diomedes: "Reaver, sometimes I wonder what you are thinking when you sit down to post."

Frostys Virpio: "We have to give it to him that he does put more effort than the vast majority in his idea but damn does it sometime come out of nowhere."
Johnny Marzetti
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#180 - 2012-02-29 02:05:17 UTC
Valentyn3 wrote:
Lady Spink wrote:
Btw it seems that the bat country gankers have been banned now.

I dont see any recent ganking kills anymore.


Thanks CCP

*Getting back in my mack now


Where/when was this made public? Even if it's true, they don't seem like the kind of people to let something like a banning keep them from playing.


It's true, they were all banned in the recent mass bot bannings. You guys were right, they were hypocrites and now you can safely mine ice anywhere.