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A Hamrite Journey (formerly: Amarr for the Glory of God)

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Theobar Cresthill
The Arzad Hamri Fellowship
#81 - 2012-02-28 18:25:10 UTC
Astera Zandraki wrote:
No, it is not. Answer the question: would you have given the order that Ardishapur did?


Open your ears. The number percentage question is the one that can't be answered. Stop being so dull.

"The fire in our hearts burns for salvation, redemption, and grace. May the Word of God grant you the courage to save yourself and your people" (The Last Words of Arzad Hamri)

Astera Zandraki
Out of Focus
Odin's Call
#82 - 2012-02-28 18:29:21 UTC
Answer the question.
Theobar Cresthill
The Arzad Hamri Fellowship
#83 - 2012-02-28 18:34:37 UTC
Astera Zandraki wrote:
Answer the question.

(Theobar slaps his forehead with his palm and sighs.) Look at the last post on page four of this thread, misssssssss.

"The fire in our hearts burns for salvation, redemption, and grace. May the Word of God grant you the courage to save yourself and your people" (The Last Words of Arzad Hamri)

Astrid Stjerna
Sebiestor Tribe
#84 - 2012-02-28 18:36:40 UTC
Theobar Cresthill wrote:
Caellach Marellus wrote:
Astera Zandraki wrote:
You still haven't answered my question, Mr. Cresthill.


He's exceptionally good at selective quoting and picking on minor details to detract from the fact someone made a point he can't answer.


Don't be an idiot. The question was one that only God could answer; that is obvious.


Well, until God decides to honor us with his wisdom, the question was asked of you, Captain Cresthill, and you are coming up sadly short in the credibility department with all of your sidestepping.

The question was asked of you, and you need to provide an answer.

I can't get rid of my darn signature!  Oh, wait....

Caellach Marellus
Stormcrows
#85 - 2012-02-28 18:37:43 UTC
Theobar Cresthill wrote:
Caellach Marellus wrote:
Astera Zandraki wrote:
You still haven't answered my question, Mr. Cresthill.


He's exceptionally good at selective quoting and picking on minor details to detract from the fact someone made a point he can't answer.


Don't be an idiot. The question was one that only God could answer; that is obvious.


Ah and now he's resorting to personal attacks when called out on his inability to answer questions or retort solid opinions.

It's more than one question Captain, you've been doing it throughout this entire discussion with several people.

When your gut instincts tell you something is wrong, trust them. When your heart tells you something is right, ignore it, check with your brain first. Accept nothing, challenge everything.

Caellach Marellus
Stormcrows
#86 - 2012-02-28 18:39:43 UTC
Astera Zandraki wrote:
Answer the question.


Didn't he do that by quoting your old question and giving an answer regarding the Starkmanir?

While I've been critical of him sidestepping at least this time he gave you an answer.

When your gut instincts tell you something is wrong, trust them. When your heart tells you something is right, ignore it, check with your brain first. Accept nothing, challenge everything.

Astera Zandraki
Out of Focus
Odin's Call
#87 - 2012-02-28 18:41:59 UTC
Caellach Marellus wrote:
Astera Zandraki wrote:
Answer the question.


Didn't he do that by quoting your old question and giving an answer regarding the Starkmanir?

While I've been critical of him sidestepping at least this time he gave you an answer.


That was if he thought they'd gone to heaven or hell. I'm asking now if he himself would have given the order to start the bombardment.

Would you have given the order Mr. Cresthill? Ardishapur, not God gave that order.
Theobar Cresthill
The Arzad Hamri Fellowship
#88 - 2012-02-28 18:42:33 UTC
Astrid Stjerna wrote:
Theobar Cresthill wrote:
Caellach Marellus wrote:
Astera Zandraki wrote:
You still haven't answered my question, Mr. Cresthill.


He's exceptionally good at selective quoting and picking on minor details to detract from the fact someone made a point he can't answer.


Don't be an idiot. The question was one that only God could answer; that is obvious.


Well, until God decides to honor us with his wisdom, the question was asked of you, Captain Cresthill, and you are coming up sadly short in the credibility department with all of your sidestepping.

The question was asked of you, and you need to provide an answer.


OK, let see if I have this right. You want me to answer the question of what percentage of people killed in any given incident go to heaven and what percent go to hell, right? You want me, even though I do not know the individuals involved to say how many went here or there, right? Sorry, but that is an idiotic question.

"The fire in our hearts burns for salvation, redemption, and grace. May the Word of God grant you the courage to save yourself and your people" (The Last Words of Arzad Hamri)

Astera Zandraki
Out of Focus
Odin's Call
#89 - 2012-02-28 18:44:01 UTC
Theobar Cresthill wrote:

OK, let see if I have this right. You want me to answer the question of what percentage of people killed in any given incident go to heaven and what percent go to hell, right? You want me, even though I do not know the individuals involved to say how many went here or there, right? Sorry, but that is an idiotic question.


No, you answered that, poorly albeit.

I'm now asking if you would have given the order to start the bombardment like Ardishapur did.
Caellach Marellus
Stormcrows
#90 - 2012-02-28 18:44:04 UTC
Astera Zandraki wrote:
Caellach Marellus wrote:
Astera Zandraki wrote:
Answer the question.


Didn't he do that by quoting your old question and giving an answer regarding the Starkmanir?

While I've been critical of him sidestepping at least this time he gave you an answer.


That was if he thought they'd gone to heaven or hell. I'm asking now if he himself would have given the order to start the bombardment.

Would you have given the order Mr. Cresthill? Ardishapur, not God gave that order.


https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=868411#post868411

I think his first two words pretty much give you the answer.

When your gut instincts tell you something is wrong, trust them. When your heart tells you something is right, ignore it, check with your brain first. Accept nothing, challenge everything.

Astera Zandraki
Out of Focus
Odin's Call
#91 - 2012-02-28 18:49:19 UTC
Point. So you would disagree with House Ardishapur on this matter then?
Theobar Cresthill
The Arzad Hamri Fellowship
#92 - 2012-02-28 18:49:19 UTC
Astera Zandraki wrote:
Theobar Cresthill wrote:

OK, let see if I have this right. You want me to answer the question of what percentage of people killed in any given incident go to heaven and what percent go to hell, right? You want me, even though I do not know the individuals involved to say how many went here or there, right? Sorry, but that is an idiotic question.


No, you answered that, poorly albeit.

I'm now asking if you would have given the order to start the bombardment like Ardishapur did.


(after a second slap to the forehead with his palm, Theobar posts a link to the answer in a vain hope that it will be read)
Read this

"The fire in our hearts burns for salvation, redemption, and grace. May the Word of God grant you the courage to save yourself and your people" (The Last Words of Arzad Hamri)

Astera Zandraki
Out of Focus
Odin's Call
#93 - 2012-02-28 18:51:09 UTC
Another one then. Vitoxin and TCMCs Where do you stand on them?
Theobar Cresthill
The Arzad Hamri Fellowship
#94 - 2012-02-28 18:58:02 UTC
Astera Zandraki wrote:
Another one then. Vitoxin and TCMCs Where do you stand on them?

The Cresthills have never used Vitoxin nor needed it for any purpose. My theology does not necessitate its uses for any reason that I can see. What is TCMC? Oh, just in case you ask, we have no slaver hounds on the Cresthill estate either. Any other questions?

"The fire in our hearts burns for salvation, redemption, and grace. May the Word of God grant you the courage to save yourself and your people" (The Last Words of Arzad Hamri)

Astera Zandraki
Out of Focus
Odin's Call
#95 - 2012-02-28 19:01:46 UTC
A trans-crainial microcontroller. It's an implant used in the Empire and other places to control people.

And Yes, I have plenty of questions. Has a slave ever tried to run from your estates, and if one did and was cuaght, what would you do?
Silas Vitalia
Doomheim
#96 - 2012-02-28 19:17:49 UTC
Theobar Cresthill wrote:
Astera Zandraki wrote:
Another one then. Vitoxin and TCMCs Where do you stand on them?

The Cresthills have never used Vitoxin nor needed it for any purpose. My theology does not necessitate its uses for any reason that I can see. What is TCMC? Oh, just in case you ask, we have no slaver hounds on the Cresthill estate either. Any other questions?


Such a pious Amarrian! Dutifully guiding his slave stock without need for violence or coercive methods. How convenient! We call people like you 'Diet-Quaffe' Amarrians; All of the loving and caring of the religion without having to ever admit to any of the darker aspects. Very nice and tidy.


You might be more interesting Brother Cresthil if you didn't both look and talk like someone straight out of central casting for a poorly-made Gallente holo-film about Amarrians.



Sabik now, Sabik forever

Theobar Cresthill
The Arzad Hamri Fellowship
#97 - 2012-02-28 19:18:21 UTC
Astera Zandraki wrote:
A trans-crainial microcontroller. It's an implant used in the Empire and other places to control people.

And Yes, I have plenty of questions. Has a slave ever tried to run from your estates, and if one did and was cuaght, what would you do?


After this little inquisition of ignorance conducted by your highness, I may have one of my own to conduct on you. But I will entertain you for the time being.

We do not use implants. In fact none of the families we know in our social circles use such things. On rare occasions when slaves have tried to run away and have been recaptured, the majority of discipline is administered by the older members of the slave community on our estate. Slaves who have become acolytes best understand what is effective in helping held ones understand the firm hand of God. The majority of this discipline is non-corporal in nature. Extra duties usually involving work in the slave community outside our regular field work is assigned. When corporal punishments are used, leaders within the slave community are given the option to administer the punishments themselves under our supervision. We insist on supervising so that the punishments are not over done. Some of the tribal backgrounds of our slaves involve extremely harsh physical punishments and rituals that we do not approve of nor deem necessary to accomplish proper discipline. We use a small device called and inflicter. It uses a bio-medical scanner to locate pain sensors in the body and then transmits a weak signal to those sensors producing mild to moderate pain. The use of this device prevents physical damage to cells, muscles, bones, etc. The typical setting would produce pain equivalent to a paddle across the behind.

Perhaps you fail to understand the difference between a religious reclaimer and a political reclaimer. Again, the accusatory tone of your questions betrays your bias.

"The fire in our hearts burns for salvation, redemption, and grace. May the Word of God grant you the courage to save yourself and your people" (The Last Words of Arzad Hamri)

Theobar Cresthill
The Arzad Hamri Fellowship
#98 - 2012-02-28 19:20:11 UTC
Silas Vitalia wrote:
Theobar Cresthill wrote:
Astera Zandraki wrote:
Another one then. Vitoxin and TCMCs Where do you stand on them?

The Cresthills have never used Vitoxin nor needed it for any purpose. My theology does not necessitate its uses for any reason that I can see. What is TCMC? Oh, just in case you ask, we have no slaver hounds on the Cresthill estate either. Any other questions?


Such a pious Amarrian! Dutifully guiding his slave stock without need for violence or coercive methods. How convenient! We call people like you 'Diet-Quaffe' Amarrians; All of the loving and caring of the religion without having to ever admit to any of the darker aspects. Very nice and tidy.


You might be more interesting Brother Cresthil if you didn't both look and talk like someone straight out of central casting for a poorly-made Gallente holo-film about Amarrians.





Who are you and why should I care about what you say?

"The fire in our hearts burns for salvation, redemption, and grace. May the Word of God grant you the courage to save yourself and your people" (The Last Words of Arzad Hamri)

Astera Zandraki
Out of Focus
Odin's Call
#99 - 2012-02-28 19:22:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Astera Zandraki
Alright, I'd like to see your estates if you'll let me.

The point remains though. You hold people who may not want to be there. You force them with the threat of violence to work for you for no pay.
Theobar Cresthill
The Arzad Hamri Fellowship
#100 - 2012-02-28 19:28:19 UTC
Astera Zandraki wrote:
Alright, I'd like to see your estates if you'll let me.

The Cresthills have hosted many Gallentean and Caldari visitors to our estate. In fact, there is a local monastery that often uses our facilities for visiting Gallentean and Caldari novices. You might even be interested in taking in one of their meditation/work retreats. That would put you working side by side with some of our held ones and my father and uncles.

"The fire in our hearts burns for salvation, redemption, and grace. May the Word of God grant you the courage to save yourself and your people" (The Last Words of Arzad Hamri)