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A Hamrite Journey (formerly: Amarr for the Glory of God)

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Theobar Cresthill
The Arzad Hamri Fellowship
#301 - 2012-03-31 21:33:50 UTC
A small detail can sometimes mark progress toward a greater goal. Today, that small detail occurred. I noted that my corporate status with SOE surpassed my status with The Theology Counsel. That which I labored in that past to build through injustice was now overcome if just by a few small points. This small step represents the larger goal of gaining a positive reputation with a whole people that I have wronged in the past. Whatever time is necessary will be devoted.

"The fire in our hearts burns for salvation, redemption, and grace. May the Word of God grant you the courage to save yourself and your people" (The Last Words of Arzad Hamri)

Rodj Blake
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#302 - 2012-04-01 09:16:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Rodj Blake
Theobar Cresthill wrote:
A small detail can sometimes mark progress toward a greater goal. Today, that small detail occurred. I noted that my corporate status with SOE surpassed my status with The Theology Counsel. That which I labored in that past to build through injustice was now overcome if just by a few small points. This small step represents the larger goal of gaining a positive reputation with a whole people that I have wronged in the past. Whatever time is necessary will be devoted.


I'm surprised that your obvious dislike of all things related to the Empire doesn't extend to your choice of corporation.

Oh that's right, I remember now. You're there because you're a coward.

Dolce et decorum est pro Imperium mori

Theobar Cresthill
The Arzad Hamri Fellowship
#303 - 2012-04-05 17:09:40 UTC
For a time, I was unconvinced that Vitoxin was a widespread method of slave control within the Empire. A little research opened my eyes and recent experience confirms the issue. I was called upon to assist in stopping the genocide of a planet in the Alenia system by the Amarr fleet carrying a viral agent intended for atmospheric release. After they were stopped, I discovered 20,000,000 1ml doses of Vitoc among the wreckage of the ships. I also rescued 2 slaves who had been aboard one of the ships. They confirmed that the Vitoc was en-route to Imperial fleet HQ for use with slave crews on warships of the Empire.

If Amarr is to be blessed by God, first there must be repentance of this evil and of the evil of continued slavery. Wars pressing from the outside only harden the heart of the slaver. There must be an inner flame that begins and sheds light on the sin of slavery and kindles the grief and sorrow of conviction. May God kindle that light in the hearts of Amarrians to bring an end to the injustice and sin of slavery.

"The fire in our hearts burns for salvation, redemption, and grace. May the Word of God grant you the courage to save yourself and your people" (The Last Words of Arzad Hamri)

Khazarn Areth
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#304 - 2012-04-05 18:26:50 UTC
It is good to see you are destroying Imperial ships, may I recommend a boarding action next time as this may aid you in collecting more slaves and less corpses.

Bloody Omir's coming back Monsters from the endless black Wading through a crimson flood Omir's come to drink your blood

Theobar Cresthill
The Arzad Hamri Fellowship
#305 - 2012-04-11 01:16:03 UTC
I recently purchased a different ship. I christened her the "Restitution" to remind me that my work of restitution continues and requires time and patience. I hope that I will never use "Restitution" in a way that is contrary to the values and teachings of my mentor Arzad Hamri.

"The fire in our hearts burns for salvation, redemption, and grace. May the Word of God grant you the courage to save yourself and your people" (The Last Words of Arzad Hamri)

Rodj Blake
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#306 - 2012-04-11 10:22:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Rodj Blake
Theobar Cresthill wrote:
I discovered 20,000,000 1ml doses of Vitoc among the wreckage of the ships.


That's not much.

Assuming one dose per slave per day, then that's enough to keep a population of 2.8 million happy for one week. Many planets will have far more slaves than that.

Incidentally, your actions may well mean that millions of slaves are now in agony.

Dolce et decorum est pro Imperium mori

Theobar Cresthill
The Arzad Hamri Fellowship
#307 - 2012-04-11 14:14:50 UTC
Rodj Blake wrote:
Theobar Cresthill wrote:
I discovered 20,000,000 1ml doses of Vitoc among the wreckage of the ships.


That's not much.

Assuming one dose per slave per day, then that's enough to keep a population of 2.8 million happy for one week. Many planets will have far more slaves than that.

Incidentally, your actions may well mean that millions of slaves are now in agony.


I thought perhaps this post would perhaps produce a defensive response. It has, and much is revealed in your response, Mr. Blake.

First, a contradiction: "That's not much" and "your actions will result in millions of slaves being in agony." Which is it? You and I both know that the supply of Vitoc that I found is indeed not much and no slaves will be in agony as a result of my actions. The reserve supplies far and away meet the needs of the Empire. The supply of Vitoc that I found will be used to help freed slaves who need it. That is a small fraction of the total of slaves in the Empire.

Second: you admit that Vitoxin has infected millions of slaves on planets across the Empire. When you say "That's not much" you admit that Vitoxin is a wide spread, agony producing slave control method. "Many planets have far more slaves than that..." Listen to what you are saying and implying, Mr. Blake. You are implying that many planets have populations exceeding 2.8 million slaves infected with Vitoxin.

You speak of vitoxin in a very nonchalant way. It is a grave evil. God holds the nation of Amarr in guilt over this. At some point, we all will need to pay restitution for this guilt, Mr. Blake. So sooner we begn, the better.

"The fire in our hearts burns for salvation, redemption, and grace. May the Word of God grant you the courage to save yourself and your people" (The Last Words of Arzad Hamri)

Rodj Blake
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#308 - 2012-04-11 14:32:42 UTC
Theobar Cresthill wrote:
Rodj Blake wrote:
Theobar Cresthill wrote:
I discovered 20,000,000 1ml doses of Vitoc among the wreckage of the ships.


That's not much.

Assuming one dose per slave per day, then that's enough to keep a population of 2.8 million happy for one week. Many planets will have far more slaves than that.

Incidentally, your actions may well mean that millions of slaves are now in agony.


I thought perhaps this post would perhaps produce a defensive response. It has, and much is revealed in your response, Mr. Blake.

First, a contradiction: "That's not much" and "your actions will result in millions of slaves being in agony." Which is it? You and I both know that the supply of Vitoc that I found is indeed not much and no slaves will be in agony as a result of my actions. The reserve supplies far and away meet the needs of the Empire. The supply of Vitoc that I found will be used to help freed slaves who need it. That is a small fraction of the total of slaves in the Empire.

Second: you admit that Vitoxin has infected millions of slaves on planets across the Empire. When you say "That's not much" you admit that Vitoxin is a wide spread, agony producing slave control method. "Many planets have far more slaves than that..." Listen to what you are saying and implying, Mr. Blake. You are implying that many planets have populations exceeding 2.8 million slaves infected with Vitoxin.



I think that your problem with the numbers is that you fail to realise just how big the cluster is. There are billions upon billions of slaves out there, so yes, a few million is a small number. Some of those slaves are rewarded for their efforts with the bliss of Vitoc, others are rewarded in other ways.


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You speak of vitoxin in a very nonchalant way. It is a grave evil. God holds the nation of Amarr in guilt over this. At some point, we all will need to pay restitution for this guilt, Mr. Blake. So sooner we begn, the better.


When exactly did you decide that you were qualified to speak for God?

Dolce et decorum est pro Imperium mori

Theobar Cresthill
The Arzad Hamri Fellowship
#309 - 2012-04-11 17:34:33 UTC
Rodj Blake wrote:

There are billions upon billions of slaves out there, so yes, a few million is a small number. Some of those slaves are rewarded for their efforts with the bliss of Vitoc, others are rewarded in other ways.


Anyone care to comment?

"The fire in our hearts burns for salvation, redemption, and grace. May the Word of God grant you the courage to save yourself and your people" (The Last Words of Arzad Hamri)

Morwen Lagann
Tyrathlion Interstellar
#310 - 2012-04-11 18:15:31 UTC
Theobar Cresthill wrote:
Rodj Blake wrote:

There are billions upon billions of slaves out there, so yes, a few million is a small number. Some of those slaves are rewarded for their efforts with the bliss of Vitoc, others are rewarded in other ways.


Anyone care to comment?


What exactly could people say that isn't blindingly obvious?

Morwen Lagann

CEO, Tyrathlion Interstellar

Coordinator, Arataka Research Consortium

Owner, The Golden Masque

Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations
#311 - 2012-04-11 18:28:35 UTC
Theobar Cresthill wrote:
Rodj Blake wrote:

There are billions upon billions of slaves out there, so yes, a few million is a small number. Some of those slaves are rewarded for their efforts with the bliss of Vitoc, others are rewarded in other ways.


Anyone care to comment?


Allow me to elucidate you.

The scourge is not Vitoc. The scourge is vitoxin. That is your enemy. Vitoc is the only readily available treatment for Vitoxin poisoning.

Vitoxin gets into the DNA of its victim, and condemns them to a slow, agonizing death. I would look up the exact details.

Vitoc treats Vitoxin in that it prevents the diseases symptoms from coming to bear. In addition, it also creates bliss people with Vitoxin poisoning, as well as generally lowering intelligence, and a few other traits desireable to slave holders.

By capturing that supply of Vitoc, you are preventing 2.8 million slaves from receiving their dose, which means the Vitoxin poisoning is going to start kicking in.

The road to hell, and all that.
Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations
#312 - 2012-04-11 18:50:10 UTC
For your information. I'm even making this easy for you!

http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Vitoxin
Uraniae Fehrnah
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#313 - 2012-04-11 19:06:29 UTC
Tiberious is quite right. By seizing a supply of vitoc you do nothing to stop the use of vitoxin and perhaps you have made things much worse for a good number of slaves. Try to remember that vitoxin is relatively fast acting, and without daily doses of vitoc someone who is infected can die within as little as two weeks. Of course those two to three weeks don't feel like a tiny amount of time for the person suffering from vitoc withdrawal and subsequent vitoxin poisoning.

20 million doses of vitoc seized in your little raid essentially amounts to a possible 480 million man hours of suffering through symptoms of withdrawal and infection. And that's assuming local supplies the vitoc was intended to replenish are sufficient to only allow for 1 missed dosage. Taking into account that a new 20 million will need to be manufactured, packaged, shipped, and distributed locally, I'd imagine the time lost could amount to multiple days for the more remote areas of the planet.

So, are you still proud of valiantly capturing 20 million doses of the half of the Vitoc Method that could be considered medicine?
Theobar Cresthill
The Arzad Hamri Fellowship
#314 - 2012-04-11 19:28:50 UTC
It is not the supply of Vitoc to treat vitoxin in the Empire that is the concern, but the ongoing issue of treating freed slaves outside the Empire. There are billions of doses constantly available everywhere in the Empire, delivered by the hour to treat the horror that is vitoxin. It is an Amarrian engineered virus with an Amarrian engineered antidote.

It never ceases to amaze me how people would shift the focus from the use of vitoxin as a national sin to other matters. Where are you from that you would think that 20,000,000 doses are going to be missed in the Empire? However, they will most definitely be of great use outside of the Empire especially among those recently freed from their bonds and infected with the most recent mutation.

The fact remains that we Amarrians are guilty of the scourge of vitoxin. Let's comment on that, shall we? Or is that too uncomfortable?

"The fire in our hearts burns for salvation, redemption, and grace. May the Word of God grant you the courage to save yourself and your people" (The Last Words of Arzad Hamri)

Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations
#315 - 2012-04-11 19:44:13 UTC
Theobar Cresthill wrote:
It is not the supply of Vitoc to treat vitoxin in the Empire that is the concern, but the ongoing issue of treating freed slaves outside the Empire. There are billions of doses constantly available everywhere in the Empire, delivered by the hour to treat the horror that is vitoxin. It is an Amarrian engineered virus with an Amarrian engineered antidote.

It never ceases to amaze me how people would shift the focus from the use of vitoxin as a national sin to other matters. Where are you from that you would think that 20,000,000 doses are going to be missed in the Empire? However, they will most definitely be of great use outside of the Empire especially among those recently freed from their bonds and infected with the most recent mutation.

The fact remains that we Amarrians are guilty of the scourge of vitoxin. Let's comment on that, shall we? Or is that too uncomfortable?


Not uncomfortable at all, actually. I think you're trying too hard to be abrasive, though.

Here is the fact. 20,000,000 doses of Vitoc will be missed no matter where it comes from. You have taken it upon yourself to decide that it should go to place X rather than place Y. That's fine, but it's still going to mean that the slaves in Place Y are going to miss their dose. Uraniae's math is quite right.

The Vitoc you stole is also keyed, as I understand it, to a particular variant of Vitoxin. Unless it goes to someone infected with that specific strain of Vitoxin, it will do no good at best, and do harm at worst.

Your efforts are better put towards aiding those outside the empire in -synthesizing- Vitoc. This will allow the afflicted victims to manage their disease without the drug-like euphoric effects that Vitoc normally produces, and built to their exact strain of the disease.

You could also try to put your efforts towards acquiring Insorum, which actually cures Vitoxin, but samples of that are not exactly floating around, and it is also in itself a deadly neurotoxin if someone without Vitoxin poisoning in infected with it.

Or maybe you could stop playing with things you don't understand.
Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations
#316 - 2012-04-11 19:52:21 UTC
Also, if all you are looking to do is deliver Vitoc out of Amarrian hands and into Matari hands, I would suggest immediately donating the Vitoc to Electus Matari. I believe they have distribution channels and scientists already working on Vitoc, and so this prevents you from reinventing the wheel.
Theobar Cresthill
The Arzad Hamri Fellowship
#317 - 2012-04-11 19:55:44 UTC
Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:
Also, if all you are looking to do is deliver Vitoc out of Amarrian hands and into Matari hands, I would suggest immediately donating the Vitoc to Electus Matari. I believe they have distribution channels and scientists already working on Vitoc, and so this prevents you from reinventing the wheel.


Thank you, Mr. Thessalonia. That is great suggestion not just for this instance but also for future instances. I will contact the organization Electus Matari today and ask them if they would take captured stocks.

"The fire in our hearts burns for salvation, redemption, and grace. May the Word of God grant you the courage to save yourself and your people" (The Last Words of Arzad Hamri)

Rodj Blake
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#318 - 2012-04-11 19:58:42 UTC
Theobar Cresthill wrote:


It never ceases to amaze me how people would shift the focus from the use of vitoxin as a national sin to other matters.


And by what authority do you claim the right to decide what is or isn't a sin?

Dolce et decorum est pro Imperium mori

Thgil Goldcore
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#319 - 2012-04-11 20:02:53 UTC
Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:


Or maybe you could stop playing with things you don't understand.


As uncomfortable as it makes me to approve a statement from Tiberious, this is so true in so many ways.

Vitoc is not a simple matter that can be broken down so easily. The best way to combat it is to get people who generally avoid its use, like myself, to be able to work with the issue. Blowing up Empire ships isn't the best way to combat it, if anything, de-legitimizes any honest effort to limit the stuff.

Between you and Underking who decide the best way to deal with the issue is murder, I find myself in a position where simply talking about limiting its use is looked up with distrust.

The long and the short of it is, Your ignorance Mr. Cresthill, is more damning to the cause of limiting Vitoc than helpful.
Theobar Cresthill
The Arzad Hamri Fellowship
#320 - 2012-04-11 20:17:20 UTC
You speak of murder, Ms Goldcore. What of the murder of an entire planet's population that the Amarr Navy was about to conduct? Would you destroy an Navy detachment of ships to save an entire planet? Or do you want to stick your head in the sand and try to whitewash the horror of that as well as that of vitoxin? You are not a benevolent slaveholder, Ms. "Benevolent Slaveholder" is an oxymoron. At one time, I thought I was the epitome of a benevolent slaveholder. I have come to believe that slave holding can never be benevolent for it is a denial at its base of what it means to be human.

"The fire in our hearts burns for salvation, redemption, and grace. May the Word of God grant you the courage to save yourself and your people" (The Last Words of Arzad Hamri)