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A Hamrite Journey (formerly: Amarr for the Glory of God)
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Theobar Cresthill
The Arzad Hamri Fellowship
#221 - 2012-03-16 13:09:24 UTC
Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:
the Golden Fleet no longer has the power to run around enslaving everyone they come across, and if you really feel like spreading your religion you had better find another way.


Yes, there is another way; the way that Arzad Hamri found together with the Starkmanir tribe. Share your beliefs together. The strength of Truth is not diminished by augmenting it with the contribution of others. What all groups can learn from the life of St. Arzad is the value of studying the spirituality of others with an open mind and not forcing your own spirituality on others.

The last words of Arzad were a blessing from his own enriched faith to a man and his people to be self-determined according to their own faith and belief. This is the better way.

On another note: 161 men and women were transported to freedom last night thanks to the assistance of the Teraa Matar. Thank you, Captains Jaiga and Zandraki for your help and patience and encouragement. Thanks Ms. Underking for challenging me to think, not by threatening me or insulting me, but just by talking to me. Thanks also to many other pilots who have challenged my thinking and encouraged me in the pursuit of truth and mercy.

Last night, I slept better than I have for a long time. Right now I don't have enough cash to buy a quafe, yet I feel richer than I have ever felt. Now begins the journey of deciding what to do with the life I have been given. By default, I'll be paying my taxes to Viziam, but I know nothing really of that Corporation or their values. If they have anything to do with slavery, I cannot stay with them or pay one dime of tax to them. I am open to suggestions.




"The fire in our hearts burns for salvation, redemption, and grace. May the Word of God grant you the courage to save yourself and your people" (The Last Words of Arzad Hamri)
Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations
#222 - 2012-03-16 13:26:14 UTC
Rodj Blake wrote:
Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:


That being, the Golden Fleet no longer has the power to run around enslaving everyone they come across, and if you really feel like spreading your religion you had better find another way.


I suspect that those who saw the Elder Fleet decimated would disagree with you.

But unlike the barbaric Minmatar, we Amarrians are a peace-loving people and that is why we prefer diplomacy or limited war to full-scale conflict.


Those who remember your loss against the Jove, and who have a working knowledge of interstellar relations, would disagree with you.
Silas Vitalia
Doomheim
#223 - 2012-03-16 14:11:02 UTC
Theobar Cresthill wrote:


On another note: 161 men and women were transported to freedom last night thanks to the assistance of the Teraa Matar. Thank you, Captains Jaiga and Zandraki for your help and patience and encouragement. Thanks Ms. Underking for challenging me to think, not by threatening me or insulting me, but just by talking to me. Thanks also to many other pilots who have challenged my thinking and encouraged me in the pursuit of truth and mercy.



You and Manwe should get in touch. Separated at birth, I imagine?



Sabik now, Sabik forever
Theobar Cresthill
The Arzad Hamri Fellowship
#224 - 2012-03-16 14:33:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Theobar Cresthill
[quote=Silas Vitalia
You and Manwe should get in touch. Separated at birth, I imagine?
[/quote]

Thank you Ms. Vitalia for a reminder of something that completely slipped my mind. There is yet another group of people to whom I owe an apology.

I once referred to The Disciples of Ston as the "Criminals of Ston." Let this be a public apology. While Manwe and I look nothing like brothers, if he and his group forgive me, I'd be proud to be called their brother. And...perhaps I will get in touch with them.

"The fire in our hearts burns for salvation, redemption, and grace. May the Word of God grant you the courage to save yourself and your people" (The Last Words of Arzad Hamri)
Killer Gandry
The Concilium Enterprises
#225 - 2012-03-16 14:45:00 UTC
And who said infiltration would be hard.
Astrid Stjerna
Sebiestor Tribe
#226 - 2012-03-16 14:51:55 UTC
Killer Gandry wrote:
And who said infiltration would be hard.


Oh, be quiet.

I can't get rid of my darn signature!  Oh, wait....
Khazarn Areth
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#227 - 2012-03-16 15:30:37 UTC
So, who's next to turn their back on their own I wonder?

Bloody Omir's coming back Monsters from the endless black Wading through a crimson flood Omir's come to drink your blood

Rodj Blake
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#228 - 2012-03-16 15:32:17 UTC
Theobar Cresthill wrote:
Silas Vitalia wrote:

You and Manwe should get in touch. Separated at birth, I imagine?


Thank you Ms. Vitalia for a reminder of something that completely slipped my mind. There is yet another group of people to whom I owe an apology.

I once referred to The Disciples of Ston as the "Criminals of Ston." Let this be a public apology. While Manwe and I look nothing like brothers, if he and his group forgive me, I'd be proud to be called their brother. And...perhaps I will get in touch with them.


You should definitely join them - it will save me the trouble of adjusting our standings towards you.

Dolce et decorum est pro Imperium mori
Rodj Blake
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#229 - 2012-03-16 15:34:16 UTC
Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:
Rodj Blake wrote:
Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:


That being, the Golden Fleet no longer has the power to run around enslaving everyone they come across, and if you really feel like spreading your religion you had better find another way.


I suspect that those who saw the Elder Fleet decimated would disagree with you.

But unlike the barbaric Minmatar, we Amarrians are a peace-loving people and that is why we prefer diplomacy or limited war to full-scale conflict.


Those who remember your loss against the Jove, and who have a working knowledge of interstellar relations, would disagree with you.


Even though Vak'Atioth saw the defeat of a single Amarrian fleet, it was enough to dissuade the Jove from overt interference in Amarrian affairs.

Dolce et decorum est pro Imperium mori
Edaine Numenor
Numenor Benevolent Holdings
#230 - 2012-03-16 15:46:29 UTC
Theobar Cresthill wrote:
By default, I'll be paying my taxes to Viziam, but I know nothing really of that Corporation or their values. If they have anything to do with slavery, I cannot stay with them or pay one dime of tax to them. I am open to suggestions.


I do have a suggestion.

What if there was an anti-slavery corporation who taxed your agent missions at 10 percent but didn't keep that ISK for themselves but set it aside each month for an anti-slavery organization OF YOUR CHOICE. What if, at the end of the month this corporation paid out that collected tax according to your wishes? That organization would be accountable on two levels, first to you and then to the organization you designate. If any mishandling of funds were done, it we be discovered immediately.

There is such a corporation: NUVOS (Numenor Benevolent Holdings) We are all about freeing slaves.

Mr. Cresthill, is there an anti-slavery group that you trust and want to support? Why pay 11% to Viziam when you can give 10% to a cause you choose? Think it over. When your agent mission pay begins to grow, that tax amount will also begin to grow. Where do you want that to go, to an Amarrian corporation to people who will fight for freedom? We would give you query access to a division designated to the cause you choose. You can literally see your 10% going into their wallet and them being paid out at the end of the month. Give us a try.

Look us up in "People and Places" and apply to join. As long as you are serious about abolition, we will work with you. Go, build your skills, run missions for good causes.

Liberating slaves wherever, whenever, and however I can.
Killer Gandry
The Concilium Enterprises
#231 - 2012-03-16 15:54:21 UTC
Astrid Stjerna wrote:

Oh, be quiet.


Only if you promise to be quiet if the sheep turns out to be a wolf afterall.
Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations
#232 - 2012-03-16 15:54:26 UTC
Instead, you could just run missions for yourself and give whatever percentage you wanted to the anti-slavery group of your choice. Why, you could even go to 25% or 50%!
Stitcher
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#233 - 2012-03-16 15:58:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Stitcher
Rodj Blake wrote:
Even though Vak'Atioth saw the defeat of a single Amarrian fleet, it was enough to dissuade the Jove from overt interference in Amarrian affairs.


I've seen some flimsy arguments in my time, but this one's about as thin as a graphene ribbon.

The Jove have never seemed at all inclined to interfere overtly in anybody's affairs. About the most they have ever done in terms of interacting with the rest of New Eden was when they gave us the capsule. We hardly ever hear from them, when we do they're doing something utterly perplexing like exploding on live holo, they never take their seat at the CONCORD assembly, and their borders are shut tight.

They are at best inscrutable, at worst downright capricious, and you claim that your Empire's invasion fleet at Vak'Atioth, which was reportedly annihilated by a single ship, served as a deterrent? Delusion.

Insofar as it's possible to attribute them a motive, I'm going to stick my neck out and suggest that they're not dissuaded, oh no. They're just not interested.

AKA Hambone

Author of The Deathworlders
Edaine Numenor
Numenor Benevolent Holdings
#234 - 2012-03-16 15:58:33 UTC
Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:
Instead, you could just run missions for yourself and give whatever percentage you wanted to the anti-slavery group of your choice. Why, you could even go to 25% or 50%!

Yes you could, but you can do that with NUVOS too without having that 11% tax going to who knows what. He could stay with Viziam and give a portion of his income away, but he would still have to pay 11% to Viziam. That is the difference.

Liberating slaves wherever, whenever, and however I can.
Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations
#235 - 2012-03-16 16:04:53 UTC
Edaine Numenor wrote:
Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:
Instead, you could just run missions for yourself and give whatever percentage you wanted to the anti-slavery group of your choice. Why, you could even go to 25% or 50%!

Yes you could, but you can do that with NUVOS too without having that 11% tax going to who knows what. He could stay with Viziam and give a portion of his income away, but he would still have to pay 11% to Viziam. That is the difference.


I could start my own corporation, set my tax rate at 99%, and be just as vulnerable to war declarations as your group is.

You really have nothing to offer here, Mr. Numenor, as I tried to tell you when you started your corporation.
Edaine Numenor
Numenor Benevolent Holdings
#236 - 2012-03-16 16:14:34 UTC
Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:
I could start my own corporation, set my tax rate at 99%, and be just as vulnerable to war declarations as your group is.
You really have nothing to offer here, Mr. Numenor, as I tried to tell you when you started your corporation.


War decs? Perhaps, but I doubt it. Why the hostility Tibs? I am trying to give this guy an option that your corp certainly isn't giving.
Answer a couple questions:
Your corp tax rate is 6%. On a 1 million ISK mission award, 60,000 goes where? How do your members know where that 60,000 goes? What mechanisms do they have to see where it goes?
Actually, we do have something to offer that other taxing Corps do not offer. We offer several levels of financial transparency. We are non-profit. I receive nothing from the Corp.

To show my sincerity in the matter, Mr. Cresthill, I will personally donate 1 million ISK to the anti-slavery organization of your choice if you join us. Stay or leave, the donation will be made. Your arguments are only statements with no weight, Mr. Tibs.

Liberating slaves wherever, whenever, and however I can.
Silas Vitalia
Doomheim
#237 - 2012-03-16 16:14:50 UTC
Stitcher wrote:
Rodj Blake wrote:
Even though Vak'Atioth saw the defeat of a single Amarrian fleet, it was enough to dissuade the Jove from overt interference in Amarrian affairs.


I've seen some flimsy arguments in my time, but this one's about as thin as a graphene ribbon.

The Jove have never seemed at all inclined to interfere overtly in anybody's affairs. About the most they have ever done in terms of interacting with the rest of New Eden was when they gave us the capsule. We hardly ever hear from them, when we do they're doing something utterly perplexing like exploding on live holo, they never take their seat at the CONCORD assembly, and their borders are shut tight.

They are at best inscrutable, at worst downright capricious, and you claim that your Empire's invasion fleet at Vak'Atioth, which was reportedly annihilated by a single ship, served as a deterrent? Delusion.

Insofar as it's possible to attribute them a motive, I'm going to stick my neck out and suggest that they're not dissuaded, oh no. They're just not interested.


Separate topic. Regardless of the battle result, the True Amarr remain, and the Jove are a footnote. Dead, irrelevant, and soon to be forgotten.

You speak of them in the present tense. Do let me know when you next see one, I feel you'll be waiting for a while.



Sabik now, Sabik forever
Stitcher
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#238 - 2012-03-16 16:17:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Stitcher
Silas Vitalia wrote:
Segardless of the battle result, the True Amarr remain, and the Jove are a footnote. Dead, irrelevant, and soon to be forgotten.

You speak of them in the present tense. Do let me know when you next see one, I feel you'll be waiting for a while.


Arrogant and obnoxious though this may be, it is still an infinitely more robust argument than Rodj's loopy claim was.

Though I feel I should remind you that absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. It HAS only been a few years since the last time I saw one, and I doubt a whole civilisation would vanish quite that suddenly.

AKA Hambone

Author of The Deathworlders
Khazarn Areth
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#239 - 2012-03-16 16:18:07 UTC
Well at least that's one less loyalist putting his tounge to the arse of the theology council.

Bloody Omir's coming back Monsters from the endless black Wading through a crimson flood Omir's come to drink your blood

Silas Vitalia
Doomheim
#240 - 2012-03-16 16:20:22 UTC
Edaine Numenor wrote:
Your arguments are only statements with no weight, Mr. Tibs.


Better a statement with no weight than entire individual and their organization, you twit.



Sabik now, Sabik forever