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From my experiences in SWTOR I'd say that the NPC talking is fun, and if you treat it as a game in itself, it's fun - but for some people they don't always want to hear all that talking in an MMO versus a single player.

Now, I think what should be happening is Establishments in the training areas should have NPCs scripted by players that help cover some of these topics, and are directed and controlled by players. The issue with Players helping other players in this way is that new players are TOTALLY BROKE POOR. So, short of getting 100s of them together to generate revenue for you, there's really little incentive to bother with new players.

So, without ISK, how can you promote people helping noobies? Well, one thing is you can give new players a kind of "player token" that they can give to people that they like (it can also introduce these new players to Scamming without them losing ISK). These tokens that they can give out might give certain credits, such as making it cheaper to rent an establishment, or give you some kind of access to a "special store" where only things that can be bought by getting these tokens from helping noobs. Sure, there will be scamming!! Noobs get to learn early then, from people trying to scam from them these tokens. They can also promote helping new players out, etc.

One thing that I feel strongly about, is that a players appearance in Incarna should be a reflection of their achievements in EVE. Such that if a player has a high standing with the blood raiders, then they are able to purchase their clothes using loyalty points (or Aurum).

This doesn't mean that other players can't buy those clothes from the market. But they would run the risk of being found out (and shot) if a blood raider NPC discovers them posing as a high ranking official.

The same could be applied to ship skins when they arrive, certain designs and colours should be unlockable based on standings.

People listen to what they want to hear, and that includes devs.

From where i stand, most people i know where looking forward for WiS. Incarna was seriously disappointing, but WiS was ment to bring a new life to EvE, and it got canceled.
Why, may i ask? Because half a dozen people said they dont need it? what about those who wanted? what about the thousands that don't play EvE because they cant identify themselves with a ever changing ship? New players need something they can relate to, and for almost all the people, its a character, not a ship. But i'm not talking about a character that does nothing, i'm talking about a character other ppl can look at, that can interact with other things. WiS had some really awesome features, enough to keep me hooked for life. And hook others.

This brings me to my second point. As a gamer I know lots of other gamers, but i can't get them to play eve, they can't relate. I tried, send loads of buddy trials from my accounts but almost none played more than one month. Why? Cause game is f***** boring as a newbie and you cant do anything besides look at a spinning ship. Frustrating. I'm 99% sure my friends would have stayed if they could kick my ass in station poker, or laugh while we change boob size walk around in bras only or do random silly stuff, together.

Oh, and stating the obvious, if we had WiS, girls would come play EvE, and u know… if girls join… guys zerg after them. Not that i want EvE a Wow clone, but WiS would be good for business.

In conclusion:

- I believe the reason that led to WiS getting canceled where NOT the community feedback, thats BS fed to the players.
- New players can relate with their avatars as they interact with other players and mini-games
- Old players can time sink in a funnier way, altho i like the chat channels i'm in, i'd rather be in a bar playing Risk with them.
- New money sink possibilities
- New crafting possibilities
- Possibility to lure friends that are not Sci-Fi Fans.

PS: i've seen some really good ideas on this topic, and some really crappy ones. Hope the devs stay focused and do something about CQ.

To Devs: WiS DOESNT SUCK! CQ IMPLEMENTATION DID!!! GIVE US WiS!!!!!! GIVE US REAL USABLE AVATARS!!111oneoneone

Yup, being able to earn prestigious items through mission rather than just more isk, might make me more willing to run the sole destroying missions.

Just to add to the idea of having free-to-play, non-space faring Eve participants:

What could they do? Market, PI, manufacturing, and populate stations. Ok cool. I imagine they may set up shop at major hubs like jita, ammar, hek, etc. 10 years down the line, perhaps DUST players will be able to take space elevators. Presumably these people will need to travel between these stations.

Why not create a whole new industry of Commercial Transportation. Pilots train a skill which enables them to fly various classes of personnel transport ships, which have varying amounts of cargo space. Perhaps the ship class or skill level determines how much cargo space each passenger has. Each corporation creates routes according to demand and sets prices. People who need to move products will obviously need to catch a ride with capsuleers; perhaps they'll need to move products quickly because the avatar-only market creates for them an arbitrage opportunity in a good between regions.

FtoP pilots have an incentive to trade, catch rides, and from looking out the window all they'll aspire to fly (and buy a plex) someday. Corps have incentive to create bus lines, and to train skills higher because doing so will allow higher cargo capacity and earn them more isk. Thoughts?

I like everything mentioned in the dev blog, it makes total sense to delay WiS until it can actually have some meaning. In the mean time we get new tattoo's and more options during character creation? Why waste time on stuff that can be done after. There is one huge point they seem to be missing. There is no point in even having Avatars if you can not show them off to your friends, if not everyone else.

The CQ was a nice addition but does not allow anyone but your self to see your avatar in action. Making the whole thing kinda pointless.

I my opinion the first step should be low level character interaction. Keep it simple like being able to visit other players in their CQ. not new modeling needed just an interface to invite or request to visit a specific characters quarters. I would say by right clicking their name in the station visitors list. Even players not currently loaded into their CQ would get a pop up saying they had a visitor. If needed put a limit on the number of players that could load into a common CQ. This would at least start the process of allowing Avatars to interact.

The next step could be adding corp/alliance offices, maybe with boardrooms for meetings etc.

Then it could slowly progress into larger environments with ability to support more and more Avatars on the same grid.

In my opinion any work team Avatar does from this point that is not moving toward at least some low level Avatar interaction is just a waste of time.

A lot of good ideas here, I sure hope Team Avatar keeps reading this thread. /signed especially for any kind of player interaction (lack of it makes the whole concept pointless, as someone rightly said) and the possibility to customize your own CQ.

I think we need to think about what we want our avatars to do frist.

walking to meet an agent....um no its much quicker as is. last thing i want is a bunch of player standing around a quest giver..or mish giver.


having player homes is IMHO good. it could support a whole industry of items and legal boosters etc etc...

player owned shops saloons I think might work also. however we need to make them valuable to coperations. if you corp holds the most property in a station you get X??? maybe we could find away for all the unused stations to be used more.


what i dont want no in station combat

Any chance of an update from Team Avatar?

As dust approaches people are getting more and more interested in Eve and especially the interaction between the two. Surely Dust and WIS are the same thing in that they are based on people avatars rather than ship avatars. It would be very odd to have WIS completely separate from dust and would make perfect sense to release the WIS part of eve to work in the same way as Dust.

Hope that makes sense.

If WIS and Dust are not at all linked then please tell us what the plans are for WIS as we have nothing to go on at all. I think everyone would love the option of walking around your favorite station, meeting people, playing a gambling game, exploring abandonded stations, fighting NPC and players. Boarding enemy stations etc.

Up date please !!!

I finally got through this thread and I have to say there really are some good ideas in here. BUT there surely is still a vision of WIS that Team Avatar is still working on.
After quite some time of absence there should be a small update at least about WHAT is about to be the next step. I don't expect a fully developed micro-economy on stations, but a bit more chance to interact with my character instead of my ship would be awsome.

Just give us a lifesign and keep up the work on WIS! ;)

cheers
Kinjou