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How much damage does 1 drone help out a Frigate in a 1v1?
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Rysis Vyvorant
Shadow Legion X
Seriously Suspicious
#1 - 2012-02-22 22:49:37 UTC
I am having a small debate about this topic right now.

Scenario.

Gallente frig vs Merlin/Rifter/Punisher or really any other frig. All T1 stuff, no T2 mods etc.

If no drones are allowed to be used in a fight would this put the Gallente frigs at a disadvantage or not? I think so but I am not 100% sure. I was under the assumption that the ability for a Tristan to use a drone was to make up for a stat loss elsewhere.

Thoughts?
Katie Frost
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#2 - 2012-02-22 23:56:59 UTC
Not sure what your question is there.

Why would there be a scenario where a pilot would not be able to use his/her drones? If you have them... use them.

Any ship that can carry drones relies on them to do some DPS/EWAR so not using them would be a disadvantage to anyone and yes, probably more so to dedicated drone-boats.

In a frig-fight, even one drone can make a difference as the tank/DPS of ships that size isn't great. Not using the drone would again disadvantage you but you do have your primary weapons system to rely on for DPS. Use EFT to determine just how much DPS you would drop if you did not use the drone.

Still I am not sure why you would not use the drone if you had it...
X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#3 - 2012-02-23 00:06:06 UTC
Using just one drone sucks in that it applies very little dps for a lot of mouse clicking the other frig pilots don't have to deal with.
Mekhana
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2012-02-23 01:45:53 UTC
Unless you set it on aggressive and preemptively get the drone out before the fight is starting. Although setting the drone on aggressive can screw you over too.

Most of the time the micromanagement is not worth it.

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Kush Monster
Big Tobacco
#5 - 2012-02-23 01:55:01 UTC
are you people stupid? use hotkeys...

Deploy drones, use hotkeys from there on. That's like 1 click.

Much more micromangement piloting manually in a frig fight.

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drdxie
#6 - 2012-02-23 01:58:24 UTC
With average skills you get 30dps plus from a single T2 hobgoblin. Adding this to a a T1 frig's damage can't be seen as a waste of time, thats like having at least another gun mounted. But hey.. who wants to win at PvP anyway, its all about the fun.

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Super Chair
Project Cerberus
Templis CALSF
#7 - 2012-02-23 06:26:40 UTC
Even if they waste 1-2 volleys popping the drone, its worth it.
T0RT0ISE
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#8 - 2012-02-23 07:42:56 UTC
Depends on the frig but its a silly question unless you are talking about some stupid event that bans drones.
IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome
#9 - 2012-02-23 09:50:18 UTC
Rysis Vyvorant wrote:
I am having a small debate about this topic right now.

Scenario.

Gallente frig vs Merlin/Rifter/Punisher or really any other frig. All T1 stuff, no T2 mods etc.

If no drones are allowed to be used in a fight would this put the Gallente frigs at a disadvantage or not? I think so but I am not 100% sure. I was under the assumption that the ability for a Tristan to use a drone was to make up for a stat loss elsewhere.

Thoughts?


Yes the drones matter. If your ships dps comes from having a better drone bay/ bandwidth - then of course you use em.

Your question doesn't make sense unless someone is trying to convince you to fight and not use your drones.
If this is the case it is because they are chicken **** and want you to start at a massive disadvantage.

Personally I would agree to pew pew and tell em you have no drones. But naturally have some in your bay and use them.

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DeBingJos
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#10 - 2012-02-23 11:12:16 UTC
Disregard all the people that say drones are not worth it.

In a frig 1 vs 1 even 1 drone makes a lot of difference.

Frigs don't do a lot of dps and that makes the dps of the single drone stand out even more!

For example: if your frig does 100 dps and 1 drone does 20 dps, the drone does 17% of you dps. That is a lot. Also it does not require reloads or maneurvering and the time your opponent spends on fighting the drone is time you don't have to tank.

My 0.02 isk.



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T0RT0ISE
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#11 - 2012-02-23 11:50:03 UTC  |  Edited by: T0RT0ISE
Please show me a PVP worthy 100dps frig where the drone does 20% of that damage.

EDIT: Or whatever other figures you pulled out of your arse.
DeBingJos
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#12 - 2012-02-23 12:47:14 UTC  |  Edited by: DeBingJos
T0RT0ISE wrote:
Please show me a PVP worthy 100dps frig where the drone does 20% of that damage.

EDIT: Or whatever other figures you pulled out of your arse.


I did pull the numbers out of my ass, but it appears they are quite correct when I EFT them with my skills.

1 Hobgoblin II in an incursus does 16 damage (and my drone skils and gallente frig skills are not very good.)
3 light ion blaster II without the drone do 87 damage (mind you I don't even have the skill to fit them, with spec the number will be higher)

Edit : 16 of 87 = 18.39%

So yes, I was right. Roll

Edit 2: Even if the drone does half the damage I claim it is worth using.

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Mr Bigwinky
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2012-02-23 13:39:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Mr Bigwinky
It's all about the Helios, man. That 1 hobgoblin II does 30 DPS!

If we're talking Imicus, you're talking ~ 60 DPS from its 3 drones.
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Salcon Cliff
Zephyr Corp
#14 - 2012-02-23 14:33:13 UTC
If it is an EWAR drone, a lucky jam or two can be huge.

Most drones (with good drones/drone skills) will put out close to their EFT max damage by maintaining optimal range and have adequate tracking. As such, they may yield an even higher percentage of your effective damage.
Rysis Vyvorant
Shadow Legion X
Seriously Suspicious
#15 - 2012-02-23 18:57:00 UTC
Thanks for the replies. I will be a little more clear.

It is a 1v1 tournament and no drones are allowed. Since I fly only Gallente boats here is my scenario:

I have a Tristan vs Punisher/Merlin (Both these have no drone bays).

Is the tristan at an immediate disadvantage because of the lack of the drone or not? I believe so but...

Cheers.
X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#16 - 2012-02-23 20:43:48 UTC
Get them to change rules. Keep damage drones, no ewar drones allowed... Them totally roflstomp them with your overpowered three drone Imicus, or two drone Maulus! :D
Silas Shaw
Coffee Hub
#17 - 2012-02-24 00:41:33 UTC
and then fly a mwd imicus with mwd, nanos, a MSE, and damps set for resolution. railguns to taste.

orbit tourney beacon at max range, recall your drones every.... 30 secs? so that they never get to shoot them, and kite to death.

profit.
Bap1811
Shiva
Northern Coalition.
#18 - 2012-02-24 11:15:41 UTC
drdxie wrote:
With average skills you get 30dps plus from a single T2 hobgoblin. Adding this to a a T1 frig's damage can't be seen as a waste of time, thats like having at least another gun mounted. But hey.. who wants to win at PvP anyway, its all about the fun.


Actually, 1 hob gets you about 20 DPS as a flight of hobs give 100.
M1k3y Koontz
House of Musashi
Stay Feral
#19 - 2012-02-24 18:55:50 UTC
drdxie wrote:
With average skills you get 30dps plus from a single T2 hobgoblin. Adding this to a a T1 frig's damage can't be seen as a waste of time, thats like having at least another gun mounted. But hey.. who wants to win at PvP anyway, its all about the fun.

30 DPS?
Acording to pyfa I get 99 dps out of a full flight of T2 hobgoblins all L5...

Either way, 19 or so DPS from a drone on a Tristan wouldn't put you at a huge disadvantage, though I would complain about it a fair bit :)
(I assume this is for a tournament where your not allowed to use drones for some reason?)

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T0RT0ISE
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#20 - 2012-02-25 00:05:40 UTC
DeBingJos wrote:
T0RT0ISE wrote:
Please show me a PVP worthy 100dps frig where the drone does 20% of that damage.

EDIT: Or whatever other figures you pulled out of your arse.


I did pull the numbers out of my ass, but it appears they are quite correct when I EFT them with my skills.

1 Hobgoblin II in an incursus does 16 damage (and my drone skils and gallente frig skills are not very good.)
3 light ion blaster II without the drone do 87 damage (mind you I don't even have the skill to fit them, with spec the number will be higher)

Edit : 16 of 87 = 18.39%

So yes, I was right. Roll

Edit 2: Even if the drone does half the damage I claim it is worth using.


I like how you use an unbonused ship that you cant even fly with said skills in order to prove something when you already admit you are talking out of your arse.

Light ion blaster II with your skills THAT DONT EVEN LET YOU FIT THEM might be so but in reality that drone is doing about 10% of damage. It's not critical, but obviously you would be wise to fit one :P

I'm not deliberately being argumentative by the way, just a bit more realistic.
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