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Surrendering means you need to play the deck fee
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Sir13
Red Velvet Optics
Goonswarm Federation
#1 - 2012-02-22 22:30:42 UTC
hello i think that if a corp pays out to wardec another corp/alience the corp/alience should not be able to just surrender. instead i htink that to surrender you should have to pay the deck fee paid by the decing corp.

if you agree please comment to make this thread popular and get it inplamented in to the game!

thanks
Tarsus Zateki
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#2 - 2012-02-22 22:47:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Tarsus Zateki
Sir13 wrote:
hello i think that if a corp pays out to wardec another corp/alience the corp/alience should not be able to just surrender. instead i htink that to surrender you should have to pay the deck fee paid by the decing corp.

if you agree please comment to make this thread popular and get it inplamented in to the game!

thanks



Are you sure you know what you're talking about? The surrender mechanic only comes into play in when the corps/alliances involved in a wardec declare the war as mutual. In order for a surrender to happen in that situation both organizations must agree to it. Typically this would involve the losing side paying some sort of reparation, assuming anyone in Eve actually used the mutual mechanic, which is rare.

If the war has not been declared mutual then it will last for as long as the declaring organization pays the bill and wishes to continue it. The victim has no say in the matter. There is an exception when a corporation leaves an alliance at war. They will be removed from the war after 24 hours.

You asked me once, what was in Room 101. I told you that you knew the answer already. Everyone knows it. The thing that is in Room 101 is the worst thing in the world.
Sir13
Red Velvet Optics
Goonswarm Federation
#3 - 2012-02-22 23:13:57 UTC
well when i dec people they just instantly surrender.. without me agreeing anything
Hamatitio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#4 - 2012-02-23 02:13:49 UTC
Are you war deccing an alliance, and then the member corporations are leaving? IIRC this pops up that they have surrendered.
T0RT0ISE
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#5 - 2012-02-23 07:52:19 UTC
Lol high sec elite pvp
FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#6 - 2012-02-23 15:00:36 UTC
T0RT0ISE wrote:
Lol high sec elite pvp

Roll

It's not perfect, but it's a lot more fun than most of what I've seen happen in low/null. Well, it would be if CCP would fix wardecs so that they actually meant something.

Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement.
Princess Nexxala
Zero Syndicate
#7 - 2012-02-23 15:30:02 UTC
High sec pvp = pro pvp

T0RT0ISE wrote:
Lol high sec elite pvp

nom nom
Tah'ris Khlador
Space Ghosts.
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#8 - 2012-02-23 15:36:39 UTC
Didn't we prevent Alience from surrendering in that movie "Independence Day"? Pretty sure they weren't allowed to pay the dec fee and they were just obliterated.

Member of the Pink Pony Killboard Padding Alliance
Calfis
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#9 - 2012-02-23 15:47:47 UTC
Sir13 wrote:
well when i dec people they just instantly surrender.. without me agreeing anything


This is due to your remote neut reps being extremely pro, I'm not even kidding. Blink
Buruk Utama
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#10 - 2012-02-24 00:57:12 UTC
Sir13 wrote:
well when i dec people they just instantly surrender.. without me agreeing anything


So you're pissed that people instantly surrender without you "agreeing [to] anything" yet apparently see absolutely no hypocrisy in that statement? If you can declare war on people without them "agreeing to anything" then they sure the hell can surrender under the same rule set. Stop war decking carebears and head out to consensual pvp in null/low.
Tah'ris Khlador
Space Ghosts.
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#11 - 2012-02-24 01:14:58 UTC
Buruk Utama wrote:
Stop war decking carebears and head out to consensual pvp in null/low.


Concensual war. Because that makes a lot of sense in practically all cases.

Member of the Pink Pony Killboard Padding Alliance
mxzf
Shovel Bros
#12 - 2012-02-24 01:46:50 UTC
Buruk Utama wrote:
Sir13 wrote:
well when i dec people they just instantly surrender.. without me agreeing anything


So you're pissed that people instantly surrender without you "agreeing [to] anything" yet apparently see absolutely no hypocrisy in that statement? If you can declare war on people without them "agreeing to anything" then they sure the hell can surrender under the same rule set. Stop war decking carebears and head out to consensual pvp in null/low.


TBH, this. The carebears have just as much right to enjoy the game their way as you do your way.
Substantia Nigra
Polaris Rising
Goonswarm Federation
#13 - 2012-02-24 01:51:34 UTC
FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:

... fix wardecs so that they actually meant something.


hisec wardecs do mean something, they usually mean 'tossers'.

I guess I am almost a 'vet' by now. Hopefully not too bitter and managing to help more than I hinder. I build and sell many things, including large collections of bookmarks.
Tora Bushido
The Marmite Mercenaries
BLACKFLAG.
#14 - 2012-02-24 11:10:33 UTC
Does this also count when someone retracts a dec Twisted...... if so you can send the isks to me ......

DELETE THE WEAK, ADAPT OR DIE !

Meta Gaming Level VII, Psycho Warfare Level X, Smack Talk Level VII.
Diesel47
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#15 - 2012-02-24 12:47:37 UTC
(To the daft) Regardless of what type of PvP you think is acceptable, the fact still remains that any corp can stay safe from PVP in highsec by joining an alliance and dropping instantly.

The whole idea of EvE is that nowhere is safe. Nobody should get off easy.


They even have an alliance that only function is to help corps dodge unwanted decs. Needs to be fixed.
Outz Xacto
Echelon Munitions
#16 - 2012-02-24 16:59:41 UTC
Diesel47 wrote:
The whole idea of EvE is that nowhere is safe. Nobody should get off easy.


So basically war decs should be carte blanche because that makes sense. Get over it, war decs shouldn't and won't give you the ultimate unrestricted right to kill other players, like everything else its just the possibility of an opportunity, and many will deny you that.
Tah'ris Khlador
Space Ghosts.
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#17 - 2012-02-24 18:27:19 UTC
Outz Xacto wrote:
Get over it, war decs shouldn't and won't give you the ultimate unrestricted right to kill other players, like everything else its just the possibility of an opportunity, and many will deny you that.


There aren't really restrictions on killing other players (unless of course they stay docked, but that's not so much a restriction but more a variable of consideration), just consequences for the attempt. War or no, anyone who actually undocks can die if you have the right number of people, tactics, and isk.

And I still don't understand the reasoning behind this nonsense that war should only be consensual. War is rarely a consensual concept.

Member of the Pink Pony Killboard Padding Alliance
Jack Traynor
Doomheim
#18 - 2012-02-24 18:35:40 UTC
Sir13 wrote:
hello i think that if a corp pays out to wardec another corp/alience the corp/alience should not be able to just surrender. instead i htink that to surrender you should have to pay the deck fee paid by the decing corp.

if you agree please comment to make this thread popular and get it inplamented in to the game!

thanks



I'm all for "inplamenting" fail ideas... :)
Jack Traynor
Doomheim
#19 - 2012-02-24 18:37:37 UTC
Princess Nexxala wrote:
High sec pvp = pro pvp

T0RT0ISE wrote:
Lol high sec elite pvp



Yeah, cuz only ELITE PVPers wardec carebear high sec corps...

"Fail" is too casual of a word for it.
Outz Xacto
Echelon Munitions
#20 - 2012-02-24 19:02:27 UTC
Tah'ris Khlador wrote:

And I still don't understand the reasoning behind this nonsense that war should only be consensual. War is rarely a consensual concept.


Honestly, its because this is a game and CCP wants more than a handful of people to play it. That's why there are the different sec status areas, so people who think consensual war is stupid can go to a place where that is stupid, but they can still pander to a player base that doesn't want to always be hitting dscan.
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