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Why Fly Gallente?
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Korg Tronix
Mole Station Nursery
#221 - 2012-03-05 15:16:41 UTC
Roime wrote:

Hyperion has a slot layout issue, but does seem to work rather well in the right hands. Check Heretic Army's kb for an example.

Situation doesn't really look that bad imo.


Whilst I agree mostly with your list (Coercer is awesome btw) I don't think my corp is the best example of how to use a Hyperion as we use it mostly for smartbombing gatesTwisted

Evil: If I were creating the world I wouldn't mess about with butterflies and daffodils. I would have started with lasers, eight o'clock, Day One! [zaps one of his minions accidentally, minion screams]
Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#222 - 2012-03-05 15:23:37 UTC
Ok, thanks for clarifying that! Lol

Scratch that then.

My Hype is waiting for my Legion booster to get proper skills, with links and drugs it has some niche potential but vanilla T2 fit just doesn't look too good on paper for PvP.

For PvE I've been experimenting with it in C3 sites, tank works well but it has serious issues dealing with sleeper frigs. Unbonused light drones can't break through their RR, and 350mm T2 rails have problems tracking anything smaller than a moon... even with dual, scripted TCs.

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Clyde ElectraGlide
Emara Entertainment Inc.
#223 - 2012-03-05 15:31:19 UTC
I fly Gallente because I feel like flying Gallente. Minmatar seems to be the majority's favorite but tbh I've never really been that interested in flying Minmatar.

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Darthewok
Perkone
Caldari State
#224 - 2012-03-05 16:09:25 UTC
Minmatar ships are full of spanners that repairmen lost because they couldn't tell whether it was part of the ship.

Whereas Gallente ships looks like they were pooped from a giant Borg toilet.

CAVEAT RICHARDUS VOLVERE - YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHg5SJYRHA0
Sunviking
Doomheim
#225 - 2012-03-05 17:18:12 UTC
I am Caldari and I have just trained Hybrids, so will be soon cross-training Gallente.

In short, Gallente will be great to fly because Blasters have the highest base DPS of any weapon, and Gallente Blaster ships often have a Hybrid damage bonus.

Also, have you taken a look at the Astarte? That Command Ship has 7 turrets slots, with a 50% damage bonus to it. Out damages most battleships in PvP. In my opinion its almost worth training Gallente just to fly that ship. It out-damages the Proteus too.

Also, the Moros Dreadnought has pretty awesome capability with its Blasters or Railguns.
Sir Lomax
Semper Ubi Sub Ubi
#226 - 2012-03-06 16:43:25 UTC
Sunviking wrote:
I am Caldari and I have just trained Hybrids, so will be soon cross-training Gallente.

In short, Gallente will be great to fly because Blasters have the highest base DPS of any weapon, and Gallente Blaster ships often have a Hybrid damage bonus.

Also, have you taken a look at the Astarte? That Command Ship has 7 turrets slots, with a 50% damage bonus to it. Out damages most battleships in PvP. In my opinion its almost worth training Gallente just to fly that ship. It out-damages the Proteus too.

Also, the Moros Dreadnought has pretty awesome capability with its Blasters or Railguns.



Yes the Astarte does do similar damage as a proteus... but the proteus has a smaller sig and 2x the tank. But for a well fit proteus you could get 3 ... t2 fit astarte... not the best exchange rate.

Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#227 - 2012-03-07 10:41:27 UTC
Sir Lomax wrote:
highonpop wrote:
X Gallentius wrote:
Sir Lomax wrote:
Fed comet kinda sucks in like most ways.
Fed Navy Comet is win! It's the only true skirmish vessel in the Gallente lineup.




eehh.... idk

i would take an ishkur or enyo over the comet.

in fact... i did.

the comet is waaay too expensive



What he said... Comet is someone with too much money and not enough skill to fly the assault frigs

If thats the case.. just buy like 6 Incurses for the same price as 1 comet, fit them all different ways and "lol your way" untill you have skills to fly a assault ship.



Comet is just a fun ship to fly. It's fast and ganky like Enyo, but with two flights of drones. In my experience, yes, faction frigs die to AFs, but not without putting up a decent fight. And Comet compares rather well against other faction frigs.

Anyway, I don't think faction frigs in general are even supposed to be isk-efficient everyday ships, they deserve a fair amount of pimpalage. They are like that special bottle of 25-year old scotch- a regular 12-year old would do the trick, but surely the 25er has a certain flavour.

Also, for a spacepoor scrub everything is expensive Cool

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highonpop
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#228 - 2012-03-07 16:39:41 UTC  |  Edited by: highonpop
After posting this thread, I started messing with my gallente ships again.

I fell back in love with the Enyo. Cool


space poor or space rich, dropping 100M ISK of a frigate is too much.

FC, what do?
Darthewok
Perkone
Caldari State
#229 - 2012-03-07 17:33:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Darthewok
Gallente was top then Amarr then Minmatar then ?. Will the wheel come round again...

CAVEAT RICHARDUS VOLVERE - YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHg5SJYRHA0
Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#230 - 2012-03-07 17:42:03 UTC
highonpop wrote:
space poor or space rich, dropping 100M ISK of a frigate is too much.


Yes, I agree, but even with C-type pimpalage a Comet is only about 50mil.

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Darthewok
Perkone
Caldari State
#231 - 2012-03-08 13:36:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Darthewok
These vicious little SOBs have been ripping up Caldari Navy Ibis'.
GALLENTE OP!!!!

[Velator, I heart Ibis']
Overdrive Injector System II

Warp Scrambler II

Light Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
Light Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S


Hobgoblin II x2

CAVEAT RICHARDUS VOLVERE - YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHg5SJYRHA0
Tanya Powers
Doomheim
#232 - 2012-03-08 15:57:45 UTC
Sunviking wrote:
In my opinion its almost worth training Gallente just to fly that ship. It out-damages the Proteus too.


Shocked

Picks or it's not true !

Lol
Kusum Fawn
Perkone
Caldari State
#233 - 2012-03-09 00:18:16 UTC
Roime wrote:
highonpop wrote:
space poor or space rich, dropping 100M ISK of a frigate is too much.


Yes, I agree, but even with C-type pimpalage a Comet is only about 50mil.



i realized after i read this that i have a 100 mil comet sitting in a hanger somewhere. to be fair though its better then c-type fit.

fit something like this

[Federation Navy Comet, Yup!]

Light Neutron Blaster II, Federation Navy Antimatter Charge S
Light Neutron Blaster II, Federation Navy Antimatter Charge S
Corpii C-Type Small Nosferatu

Coreli C-Type 1MN MicroWarpdrive
Shadow Serpentis Warp Scrambler
Small Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Cap Booster 200

Coreli A-Type Small Armor Repairer
Coreli A-Type Small Armor Repairer
Damage Control II
Micro Auxiliary Power Core I

Small Hybrid Burst Aerator I
Small Nanobot Accelerator I
Small Anti-Explosive Pump I


Warrior II x3

150 mil? 175?

Its not possible to please all the people all the time, but it sure as hell is possible to Displease all the people, most of the time.
Nnam Pir
Nnam Fleet
#234 - 2012-03-09 08:29:36 UTC
RE: Original Question

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Bent Barrel
#235 - 2012-03-09 09:40:15 UTC
drones ... I LOVE drones ... oh and blasters .... that too ....
Tanya Powers
Doomheim
#236 - 2012-03-09 10:32:17 UTC
Bent Barrel wrote:
drones ... I LOVE drones ... oh and blasters .... that too ....


You know that several Amarrian hulls have more drone bay than their Gallente counterparts? Cool

And those sexeh pulse lasors with 23km base optimal distance can be very nasty with less 10% raw dps than blasters.

Me congratulates CCP decision to finally do something about tiers system.
Me congratulates twice this decision since after this there will be no excuse for a ship with a dedicated role to not be able to achieve what he's been designed for.
Me also congratulates this decision because omgpwnmbilefotomgodmode will be easier to spot (it is already) and to address so there will be no excuse to keep blinders and not answer PLAYERS FEEDBACK ABOUT HYBRIDS right?
Vladimir Norkoff
Income Redistribution Service
#237 - 2012-03-09 11:26:32 UTC
Tanya Powers wrote:
Me also congratulates this decision because omgpwnmbilefotomgodmode will be easier to spot (it is already) and to address so there will be no excuse to keep blinders and not answer PLAYERS FEEDBACK ABOUT HYBRIDS right?
Ummm yeah. Don't get your hopes up there mate. Apparently the decision making folks at CCP have no ******* clue what Gallente ships are about. This is from Ytterbium's devblog on ship rebalancing...
Ytterbium's Devblog wrote:
This opens up possibilities in terms of new ships. For example, why does the ... Gallente drone and dampening abilities stop with the Exequror?
The Exequror? Really? How can they even think it is a drone ship? It can't even field a full flight of mediums. Vexor? Myrm? Ishtar? Domi? That is where Gallente drone abilities stop. And dampening with a Exequror?! The ship doesn't even have a goddamn bonus to dampening! Arrrgghhhh! This is why Gallente has been so ******-up for so long. CCP doesn't even know what Gallente ships do! So yeah, you just keep on hoping that they will finish fixing hybrids.
Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#238 - 2012-03-09 11:27:03 UTC
Tanya Powers wrote:


You know that several Amarrian hulls have more drone bay than their Gallente counterparts? Cool


You mean exactly two Amarr hulls have a bigger drone bays than their Gal counterpart, but one of them has less bandwidth? Pilgrim and Arbitrator are nice ships, but that doesn't actually conclude that Amarr is somehow better choice for a drone ship lineup.

Imicus, Myrm, Ishkur, Ishtar and Dominix don't have racial counterparts. Only the Rattlesnake has a bigger drone bay than Ishtar/Dominix, and it receives it's drone bonuses from Gallente Battleship -skill.

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And those sexeh pulse lasors with 23km base optimal distance can be very nasty with less 10% raw dps than blasters.


Heavy Pulse IIs with Scorch do 22% less dps than Heavy Neutron IIs with Null. Even 250mm rails outdamage them up to 21km with faction antimatter. And after 24km again.

Also, not sure how many practical Amarr BC fits can actually cram a full rack of Heavy Pulses on.

I wonder what your motivation for the continuous anti-gallente propaganda is, but you could at least try to keep it a bit, like, factual?

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Tanya Powers
Doomheim
#239 - 2012-03-09 11:38:25 UTC
Vladimir Norkoff wrote:
Tanya Powers wrote:
Me also congratulates this decision because omgpwnmbilefotomgodmode will be easier to spot (it is already) and to address so there will be no excuse to keep blinders and not answer PLAYERS FEEDBACK ABOUT HYBRIDS right?
Ummm yeah. Don't get your hopes up there mate. Apparently the decision making folks at CCP have no ******* clue what Gallente ships are about. This is from Ytterbium's devblog on ship rebalancing...
Ytterbium's Devblog wrote:
This opens up possibilities in terms of new ships. For example, why does the ... Gallente drone and dampening abilities stop with the Exequror?
The Exequror? Really? How can they even think it is a drone ship? It can't even field a full flight of mediums. Vexor? Myrm? Ishtar? Domi? That is where Gallente drone abilities stop. And dampening with a Exequror?! The ship doesn't even have a goddamn bonus to dampening! Arrrgghhhh! This is why Gallente has been so ******-up for so long. CCP doesn't even know what Gallente ships do! So yeah, you just keep on hoping that they will finish fixing hybrids.



Well if you folow gallente and hybrids threads you should have noticed now that makes months if not a year I'm already saying gallente are impossible to rebalance properly without breaking something in the game.

Far too much important game combat mechanics affect the race because of it's specificities so if you ever touch a single point in gallente favour you'll either make them fotom (hello frigates hybrids) or brake something: amo buff for gellente followed by all t2 ammo revamp and still, gallente are just better at what they have always been after several nerfs witch is brawl at gates and station undocks.
Now give them the necessary speed or tank to get in range and do their job and you'll have the next fotomuberpownmobile everyone will fly. This is not what Gallente pilots asked for or want, and I still believe that every single ship design/role/slots/attributes and a lot of combat mechanics must be changed for a better game improvement in the future and a better game experience for all of us willing to evolve with our game, just like I always think Captain Quarters is an important and good improvement for the game opening a lot of new perspectives.

The problem is not how to do it, the problem is not about doing it. The only problem is players, and the older they are in game age the harder it is to make those evolve not to say it's just impossible. They will quit anyway, one day or another for a reason ro another so why just not do it right and do it well once and for all.
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#240 - 2012-03-09 15:48:48 UTC
Roime wrote:

Imicus, Myrm, Ishkur, Ishtar and Dominix don't have racial counterparts. Only the Rattlesnake has a bigger drone bay than Ishtar/Dominix, and it receives it's drone bonuses from Gallente Battleship -skill.

Dropping in to say you forgot the Gila. It also has 400m3 drone bay and 125 bit/s bandwidth, the broken thing.

Accidentally The Whole Frigate - For-newbies blog (currently on pause)