EVE General Discussion

Wait, forum posting and being subscribed is playing the game?

Imagine a game mechanic where if the rats are not beaten down on a regular basis, they grow increasingly stronger, and aggressive.

Imagine some system that is a desert of human play that one day has a fleet of NPC dreads attacking moon-mining POS's in these deserted systems.
Imagine a tech moon mining operation being rf'ed by NPC's as quickly as a human fleet can rf a POS.

Suddenly, all these vast swaths of space HAVE to be attended to on a regular basis, and alliances holding massive chunks of space have to actually protect their turf.

To get back to OP`s topic, yes Eve galaxy is to small. They should completely remove jumping capability (including gates) from the game and travelling between systems should take at a minimum....tsk...tsk....hmmm...lets say 5 minutes.

Here you go OP...problem solved!

Oh boy oh boy oh boy I have to patrol my space and shoot red crosses I shall log in furiously!

I think you'll find that if you wanted to make it hard to keep a large swathe of space, you'd get a lot more bang for your buck if CCP fixed the SOV system so it's easy to take and lose a system, meaning small entities will have a much easier time of carving out their own small area of space, unlike with today's system.

God damn, that is some bitter posting. Take your own advice and GTFO, oh wait, you just keep subbed to troll post in the forums. Tell me why anybody should listen to you, a bitter troll, who doesn't even play the game anymore?

real problem is that there's zero incentive to engage in nullsec industry outside of a CSAA, creating a balance of pvp on the front lines and suppliers at home. What, is slowboating to the frontline any different from jumping there as far as what difference 'force projection' makes?
TEST is merely employing the most effective practices as far as the mechanics of the game are concerned

What argument? Can you summarize it in one sentence?

There's alot more to add to that, that's one issue when debating this topic.

When it comes to the logistics 'of then', you could add "no warp to zero", "3 days POS fuel rather than 30", "instant Sov ownership flip" (I used to live in a station we flipped ownership with hostiles on a daily basis, we were both in different TZ's and both had assets in it). Another 'of then' reason why travel was easier, was simply numbers. Now people have enough people to completely lock down gates, and we can't use speed (or stack warp core stabs, like we did). The damage today from single pilots is alot harder, t2 is no longer superexpensive, there's rigs, plenty more of sp, etc.

There's plenty of reasons why null today is deserted. Did we run lv4's and incursions early on? No, they didn't even exist. Nullsec belt ratting - and hell even mining, I know plenty of PvPers who had basic mining skills - was our income between fights.

Nullsec today also have major benefits to actually live in upgraded blobfortresses. Outpost, jumpbridge, anomaly upgrades, whatnot. Why spread out when you are better off sitting in your supersafe castle? Especially when solo income flourishes there! The only stuff outside of these fortresses, is on alliance level, i.e. moon/pet-system income. For your average Joe there's just blobby homesystems that is all the rage.

But the main difference I believe is simply 'player mentality'. Alot of people, even my own current alliance (which greatly disgust me) want their hulks completely safe in highsec. They don't understand this is a very powerful vessel designed for endgame content, and they don't understand EVE was never safe to begin with. But that's the kind of players this game is infested with now. /frown. We also have the blobs who have zero interest in 'goodfights' (look at what a mockery that expression has become). We were happily throwing five-ten frigs back then to try kill a cruiser (usually dying horribly). That does not happen today, nor do you actually have to fight, unless it is to hold/take space. Industrialists and PvPers used to fight side by side, we needed them to build us ship so we kept them safe, and they needed us to keep them safe so they supported us in cheap combat tacklers and such. That does not exist today, there's plenty of players who "only" want to PvP or focus on their carebearing.

These are just some stuff to mention for starters, but simply put; the player mentality combined with actual income, and blob incentitives, makes it complete bullshit to spread out in null. There's no real high > low > null today. It's more "high or wh or null", with three completely different games, and mentality. Null is nothing for smallscale PvP, lowsec is complete crap, high is a carebear haven and no reason to leave if you just want to make isk and casual play (not to mention super-powerful PvE ships like exhumers and marauders are allowed here, they should be purefly for endgame content, just like capitals are in PvP).

Can this be salvaged, and EVE become a spread-out game again, where null is the 'true' endgame that both PvP- and PvE-pilot strive for? Sure. But then there needs to be incentitives. Nerf to highsec income, buff to nullsec income (and it needs to be spread out: kill upgraded sov fortresses, make game less safe again), boost belt-ratting and belt-mining, give more incentitives to build stuff in null rather than in high, make it harder to move minerals around, etc. I'm quite sure there is plenty that CCP can do to help this happen. I'm not equally sure the player mentality of wanting to strive to be 'safe' and have 'riskless' gameplay, will change.

OP really loves the feeling of jumping and landing in a bubble with 20+ hurricanes waiting for their killmail.

Your longwinded post on how it was unfair that your thrasher got beat by a hictor that you blindly jumped into was a hilarious example.