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Akirei Scytale
Okami Syndicate
#81 - 2012-02-24 06:27:17 UTC
Gay Babby wrote:



If you call utterly destroying the old iraq forces and government, losing 4500 soldiers in trade for 100,000 iraqi soldiers + insurgents. (not counting civilian deaths caused by both the US and by terrorists(who cause the vast majority of them)), occupying iraq for 8 years, installing a puppet government, and mostly pacifying the country a defeat I am curious to see what sort of eve online battles you would call defeats or victories.

I mean that would be like -A- losing all their space to PL, losing a giant number of ships, losing some supercapitals and then a new alliance is installed in -A-s old space who are subservient to PL and then -A- calling the whole thing a victory.

You'd be laughed off the forums.


Even funnier is the fact that the CFC is the only coalition I've ever seen successfully use hit-and-run tactics. Mr Vee and his constant relocation make me hot and bothered.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#82 - 2012-02-24 06:46:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Alavaria Fera
I'm sure it has a similar effect on the enemy. Possibly for different reasons.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Valei Khurelem
#83 - 2012-02-24 08:25:09 UTC


Quote:
I like how the themepark crowd always label any sort of effort as a time sink.


This is a game, if you want to put effort into something, get a job.

"don't get us wrong, we don't want to screw new players, on the contrary. The core problem here is that tech 1 frigates and cruisers should be appealing enough to be viable platforms in both PvE and PvP."   - CCP Ytterbium
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#84 - 2012-02-24 08:45:27 UTC
I'm not going to bother reading past the first page, because experience tells me none of you will have broached the topic of "how hard is it to take space from someone?". Today, that answer is "more than most non-established alliances/corps will care to put up, so they stay in hisec". Make SOV easier to lose and to take, and you'll see the act of already being there will be much less, and you'll probably end up with many more small fiefdoms of SOV, instead of the current swathes of afk space.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Calfis
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#85 - 2012-02-24 15:02:33 UTC
Valei Khurelem wrote:


Quote:
I like how the themepark crowd always label any sort of effort as a time sink.


This is a game, if you want to put effort into something, get a job.


So because its a game you are not allowed to put it any effort in order to be better than the average joe crowd?

P.S. I do have a job, and it does not give me or anyone else an excuse to be bad at a game and whine about the people who are doing better than they are in said game. Try harder or find a more effortless game. Some people prefer to not have everything handed to them in a game, some people remember when games offered some semblance of a challenge. Which is a heck of a lot more than most MMOs today offer.
Krios Ahzek
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#86 - 2012-02-24 15:18:36 UTC
arcca jeth wrote:
Krios Ahzek wrote:
Why should space feel large?

Okay, space is big. But when I log into EVE, I want to play, not spend 3 hours traveling.


with your jump bridge network? lol that would never happen. in fact you could probably make a tour of duty across all of eve in 1 hour without any bridging or wormholing.

a jump a minute isn't too bad. I think CCP should add a couple more NULL regions and reduce the LY capacity of Jump Bridges for all CAP ships and POS bridges. a small tweak to those could make New Eden feel a bit larger. Distance from your enemies should provide some added safety.



Stop being fixated on making EVE feel larger. One hour of travel to get somewhere is a two hour round trip. Accounting for the Tidi'd battle, that's a 5-6 hour playing session. Not everyone has this much time to spend on EVE.

 Though All Men Do Despise Us
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#87 - 2012-02-24 15:30:56 UTC
Esan Vartesa wrote:
SilentMajority wrote:
Nikuno wrote:
Red Templar wrote:
I do not understand the problem. The alliance went to war, to have fun, to shoot things. How does that stiffles the game? Should they be only able to sit in their own space and entertain you guys?
Please specify and expand what is the problem and how you see it. And please provide a solution, in your opinion ofc, otherwise this discussion is worthless.


Ok, I'll try.

*snip*

I hope that helps set out what I'm trying to convey?


Oh no! Does the big bad pirate not like it when we can drop 100 people on your head without any notice? This is what you get for living next to the third largest alliance in the game. If you'd like, we can move TEST into wy- for a few weeks and see how your alliance membership holds up. Then you won't have to worry about big bad TEST and power projection; we'll be right in system!


There's the standard "Someone is criticizing something that is to our benefit. Quick, start acting like bullies!" response.

Truth is, OP is raising an excellent point. If a group can project the vast majority of their force anywhere on the map at the drop of a hat, then the entire game gets reduced to one of "he with the biggest fleet wins", which is an issue that does get brought up here and there...

Force projection abilities are too strong as they are. The largest fleet can control as much territory as that quick force projection reaches, which right now is everything. Even if you're cleverly attacked at 5 different locations right across the map, as the largest fleet you can just pop off each invading force one at a time in quick succession.

You're never forced to split up.


Perfectly said (especially your 1st snetence, some people really can't look past their own narrow interests).

i benifit from the way of things (3 cynos from where I live to deep null sec to low sec 3 jumps from jita lol), but could see how the game would be better if logistics took actual work and organization.
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#88 - 2012-02-24 15:34:47 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
i benifit from the way of things (3 cynos from where I live to deep null sec to low sec 3 jumps from jita lol), but could see how the game would be better if logistics took actual work and organization.

Why am I getting the feeling you have no idea what kind of effort it takes to run an actual alliance of some size, logistically.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#89 - 2012-02-24 15:53:03 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
i benifit from the way of things (3 cynos from where I live to deep null sec to low sec 3 jumps from jita lol), but could see how the game would be better if logistics took actual work and organization.

Why am I getting the feeling you have no idea what kind of effort it takes to run an actual alliance of some size, logistically.


Then you are getting the wrong idea. I was one of my old alliance's logistics officers.

But what goes on today is NOTHING compared to needing a full CTA to get a freighter fleet out to the butt end of Omist back in the day. It's just way to easy nowadays, and as a "grunt" for my current allaince (will never do management stuff again, i have a real life job lol), it still amazes me how nowadays with one carrier and 2 cyno alts i can do most of my own personal logistics. It's just too bloody easy.

I've been in suiicide Dread fleets that started in the south and ended up killing supers in the north. Even while I was doing that and having fun I was thinking "man, EVE is too small now".
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#90 - 2012-02-24 15:55:42 UTC
Krios Ahzek wrote:
arcca jeth wrote:
Krios Ahzek wrote:
Why should space feel large?

Okay, space is big. But when I log into EVE, I want to play, not spend 3 hours traveling.


with your jump bridge network? lol that would never happen. in fact you could probably make a tour of duty across all of eve in 1 hour without any bridging or wormholing.

a jump a minute isn't too bad. I think CCP should add a couple more NULL regions and reduce the LY capacity of Jump Bridges for all CAP ships and POS bridges. a small tweak to those could make New Eden feel a bit larger. Distance from your enemies should provide some added safety.



Stop being fixated on making EVE feel larger. One hour of travel to get somewhere is a two hour round trip. Accounting for the Tidi'd battle, that's a 5-6 hour playing session. Not everyone has this much time to spend on EVE.


Then perhaps they should be playing something else (or just playing locally in someplace like low sec). Null sec is IMO high in "end game" stuff for dedicated players, by making it more "casual player friendly" (such as shortening travel times) you take away what makes null sec worth going to.
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#91 - 2012-02-24 16:02:16 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Then perhaps they should be playing something else (or just playing locally in someplace like low sec). Null sec is IMO high in "end game" stuff for dedicated players, by making it more "casual player friendly" (such as shortening travel times) you take away what makes null sec worth going to.

I think you should be focusing on making CCP make the strategic element of nullsec deeper, not make nullsec bigger.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#92 - 2012-02-24 16:39:06 UTC
Need new and exciting structures to shoot.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Mistified
Ponywaffe Retirement Home
#93 - 2012-02-24 17:09:43 UTC
Sounds like someone has sand in their vagina.

If you are that butthurt about it, try to take Fountain. (Keyword try)
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#94 - 2012-02-24 17:18:08 UTC
Mistified wrote:
try to take Fountain. (Keyword try)

Is fountain far from Dek? If there's JBs and such nearby rifters might come though to help blues.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Dragon Outlaw
Rogue Fleet
#95 - 2012-02-24 17:20:45 UTC
Valei Khurelem wrote:


[quote]This is a game, if you want to put effort into something, get a job.


Shocked You sound like a golf player. Ever tried hockey?

But seriously, you cannot stop people in challenging themselves in any life activity (whether it is a game or a job). Surely you must know that.
Valei Khurelem
#96 - 2012-02-24 17:23:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Valei Khurelem
Quote:
Then perhaps they should be playing something else (or just playing locally in someplace like low sec).



Hey EVE players! Have a problem with this computer game everyone talks about called EVE Online? Don't like the things it has, the glitches, the bugs, the exploits or the way people blatantly cheat while honest players have to waste their lives as this amazing time vampire sucks the life out of them and our game developers ignore everything going on around them in the hopes it will vanish of its own accord?

Leave! That's right! Despite the fact that you paid money for this game and are entitled to a working and fully functional product you should just let your account run out and play something else! If you like functioning products, have common sense and judge a company based on the product they have given you rather than what they have promised as if you're worshiping some religious symbol you're better off avoiding having to complain to us or get us to fix anything because we don't want you here!

We've got your money now so we're pretty happy! You should be too! We delivered a miniscule fraction of the features and ideas that were promised in our trailers and on our advertisements so you can go away happy knowing you've funded the next idea we get where you'll pay huge amounts of money for only a fraction of the game content that we come up with! Better yet! If you stay loyal to us you can pay even more money in small amounts that stack up to millions because we've been stashing it away in our hard drives for when you get bored! We love loyal customers because it means we can take even more money from the gullible moro- we mean extremely brilliant and clever consumers!

it's a brilliant deal for us so we'd like to encourage you to keep purchasing and showing your fantastic loyalty! Buy tickets for our fanfest and you'll get a free ship that we've re-skinned with minimal effort! You'll be the envy of all your friends who couldn't show up because they're not as awesome as you are!

"don't get us wrong, we don't want to screw new players, on the contrary. The core problem here is that tech 1 frigates and cruisers should be appealing enough to be viable platforms in both PvE and PvP."   - CCP Ytterbium
Xolve
State War Academy
Caldari State
#97 - 2012-02-24 17:28:52 UTC
So- The other side of this story is- The Gzerodfathers have been living in WY- and Serpentis Prime and those other NPC systems none of us care about, and occasionally harass TEST Jews with Tornado Fleets, Bubble camps, and Station games. They think they have struck some huge blow to our organization everytime some newbro dies belt ratting in a drake, or they manage to kill a fleet that was thrown together to go **** with them. Essentially they are there to entertain us when we are bored.

About a year ago, we hell camped them in WY-; cut their memberbase down in swathes and generally made living in NPC Fountain a nightmare for them (all the while our super jews were running angels/serpentis missions). They hurf blurfed in local, stopped logging in and all the usual 'we mad yo' behavior that comes with getting your backdoor stretched. Of course, TEST having the attention span of a cranked out Squirrel, went and found other things to do...

So now- months later- we're spread out North, occasionally coming home to mess with the locals, repping POSs (they like to reinforce random POS's/JB Towers) and defending home when the need arises (they come to play if they arn't hopelessly outnumbered) but all that remains long term in Fountain are new bros and turbojews. It is what it is. In the grand scheme of things the Gzerodfathers and Brutal Genesis help reduce the number of J4G neckbeards we have, and generally give us something to do when we're bored.

They've tried to take 38I a few times in the past month, and have generally failed to understand sov mechanics. The F0rsaken left after a culture clash/convicted abandoning them, and offlined/unanchored their IHUB while GFs had SBU's online (this bugged out the SBUs) and a GM came and blew them up.

Since they can't really gain a foothold in Fountain, and the brave warriors of Test Alliance, Please Bribe GM Lelouch are up North or tooling around elsewhere, they have nothing to shoot at... and are upset about it.


I give it a couple weeks before we rent them Mermaid and set them Blue.
Xolve
State War Academy
Caldari State
#98 - 2012-02-24 17:30:21 UTC
Valei Khurelem wrote:
Quote:
Then perhaps they should be playing something else (or just playing locally in someplace like low sec).



Hey EVE players! Have a problem with this computer game everyone talks about called EVE Online? Don't like the things it has, the glitches, the bugs, the exploits or the way people blatantly cheat while honest players have to waste their lives as this amazing time vampire sucks the life out of them and our game developers ignore everything going on around them in the hopes it will vanish of its own accord?


You should probably leave too.

Take your sense of entitlement elsewhere peasant.
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#99 - 2012-02-24 17:32:08 UTC
Valei Khurelem wrote:
Quote:
Then perhaps they should be playing something else (or just playing locally in someplace like low sec).



Hey EVE players! Have a problem with this computer game everyone talks about called EVE Online? Don't like the things it has, the glitches, the bugs, the exploits or the way people blatantly cheat while honest players have to waste their lives as this amazing time vampire sucks the life out of them and our game developers ignore everything going on around them in the hopes it will vanish of its own accord?

Leave! That's right! Despite the fact that you paid money for this game and are entitled to a working and fully functional product you should just let your account run out and play something else! If you like functioning products, have common sense and judge a company based on the product they have given you rather than what they have promised as if you're worshiping some religious symbol you're better off avoiding having to complain to us or get us to fix anything because we don't want you here!

We've got your money now so we're pretty happy! You should be too! We delivered a miniscule fraction of the features and ideas that were promised in our trailers and on our advertisements so you can go away happy knowing you've funded the next idea we get where you'll pay huge amounts of money for only a fraction of the game content that we come up with! Better yet! If you stay loyal to us you can pay even more money in small amounts that stack up to millions because we've been stashing it away in our hard drives for when you get bored! We love loyal customers because it means we can take even more money from the gullible moro- we mean extremely brilliant and clever consumers!

it's a brilliant deal for us so we'd like to encourage you to keep purchasing and showing your fantastic loyalty! Buy tickets for our fanfest and you'll get a free ship that we've re-skinned with minimal effort! You'll be the envy of all your friends who couldn't show up because they're not as awesome as you are!


That's just stupid
Vetrox Satria
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#100 - 2012-02-24 17:52:15 UTC
Valei Khurelem wrote:
Quote:
Then perhaps they should be playing something else (or just playing locally in someplace like low sec).



Hey EVE players! Have a problem with this computer game everyone talks about called EVE Online? Don't like the things it has, the glitches, the bugs, the exploits or the way people blatantly cheat while honest players have to waste their lives as this amazing time vampire sucks the life out of them and our game developers ignore everything going on around them in the hopes it will vanish of its own accord?

Leave! That's right! Despite the fact that you paid money for this game and are entitled to a working and fully functional product you should just let your account run out and play something else! If you like functioning products, have common sense and judge a company based on the product they have given you rather than what they have promised as if you're worshiping some religious symbol you're better off avoiding having to complain to us or get us to fix anything because we don't want you here!

We've got your money now so we're pretty happy! You should be too! We delivered a miniscule fraction of the features and ideas that were promised in our trailers and on our advertisements so you can go away happy knowing you've funded the next idea we get where you'll pay huge amounts of money for only a fraction of the game content that we come up with! Better yet! If you stay loyal to us you can pay even more money in small amounts that stack up to millions because we've been stashing it away in our hard drives for when you get bored! We love loyal customers because it means we can take even more money from the gullible moro- we mean extremely brilliant and clever consumers!

it's a brilliant deal for us so we'd like to encourage you to keep purchasing and showing your fantastic loyalty! Buy tickets for our fanfest and you'll get a free ship that we've re-skinned with minimal effort! You'll be the envy of all your friends who couldn't show up because they're not as awesome as you are!


Its prenounced.

"If you dont like it, leave"

But obviously your a mondo huge bell end and had to write a giant novel to get some attention and are still here so you cant even take your own advice?