Skill Discussions

My own experience with hisec PI has been that you make far more ISK from factory planets than extraction planets. Buy other people's P1, convert them into P2 or higher, then resell back to the market. You'll want a decent hauler (such as an Orca) eventually, but you can make tens of millions of ISK a day from each planet that you are willing to service. Servicing involves dumping off 10k m3 of inputs, then hauling whatever product you have back to market: it's mostly travel time in a fat hauler of some kind.

I would advise you avoid mission-running as an income stream. Grind missions for standings, not income. Once you have the standings, you're done. If you mission-grind for income, you will be stuck grinding missions for income forever.

Don't buy anything for list price. Do not buy from sell orders. Post a reasonable buy order, and wait.

You can start building ships from blueprints before you get particularly old. Just make sure you read the "Manufacturing" section of the Making ISK guide for some advice.

Fly spaceships for fun, not profit :)

When I started playing, I wanted this char to be a industial(hauler)/combat hybrid.
She is now a dedicated Caldari combat pilot with only rudimentary industry skills left.
My whole industry and hauling stuff is now done by an alt.

If you can afford it, I'd look into the possibility of playing two accounts. This way you can have a dedicated mission runner who can e.g. farm standing for your industry alt who can then refine better. Or your industry alt can salvage and loot your missions while the combat pilot is starting the next one already.

At one time I even had a third char for market stuff, but that wasn't really neccesary. ;)

The way to get the data cores you want to invent with is to use ISK and head to the market.

The way to get the ISK is to sell the data cores that are worth the most.

Don't grind the standings to earn the data cores you want, since you're selling yourself short. Let someone else sell themselves short, and profit from their mistake. This is EVE, a harsh, cold universe where capsuleers make their greatest profits from other people's mistakes.

buy every cheap skill book you can use.

Train everything to 3.

Takes little time and will help a ton with mixed style of play.

Take it a step further buy training all 1x multipliers to 5 and training all skills they open up to 3 as well.

It will give you a great base of skills within 2 months that will help even if you specialize later.

Heyo Victor

First off - I did the same thing.

I focussed as an industrial pilot with supporting combat skills for entertainment and getting a bit of isk.

A few things to think about:

1) Your attributes - I did most of my early work on a mem/int remap. (yes MEM/int not INT/mem) this had the advantage that it allowed me to work on both industry skills very well (they are mem/int) but also on science skills and on drone skills (mem/per). Thus droneboats are the favoured weapon of the armed industrialist. They just so happen to also make very respectable mission boats. Before you remap I'd say get your ship training and basic gunnery (or missiles if you go with those) done. Support skills will sort themselves out after.

2) It doesn't quite work like you think it does - today I still have good industry skills which I use now and then to provide some support to my corp/alliance but it's not by any means my core activity. I don't regret doing this for an instant as it gave me a very nice in depth view of EVE but it's not what I spend most of my time on (though it provides some nice residual income in a variety of ways).

TL;DR; try things, enjoy them. Then try other things and finally go back to the ones you like the most.

Have fun!

Cyniac is right. If you want to do both Industrial and Missioning, Drone/industry is the only way to go. After all you will also need drone skill in your mining barge/exhumer. You can easily breeze through lvl1-3 security mission using drone boat like vexor or myrmidon with drone skill alone without any gunnery skill . (Search battleclinic for droneboat fit.)

Industry is easy to get into, simple to start doing somethings, but takes a very long time to be able to sell anything at a profit (Production Efficiency 5 will take you about 12-14 days, which you really need to make a profit manufacturing).

My suggestion would be to train Science V and what ever other skill you will need to V for R&D agents (level 4 agents only if you can). This will get you a steady income/flow of R&D points. This would take roughly 8 days.

After this you could train laboratory Operations 4 in about 2 days. This will now allow you to start making BPC's from BPO's, since Science will give you the fastest copy time, and Lab Op 4 will allow 5 copies to be made at a time.

I'm suggesting that you do this because doing runs of BPC's can take 1 - 2 months to complete (10 - 30 day wait time for station install to be available, plus time for the copy to start). This means in 6 months (or whenever) you could come back to industry you could have a good number of BPC's to get you started as well as have a few hundred million isk worth of R&D points to use.


If you are totally serious about getting into manufacturing Another suggestion would be to stop training on your main character for about 15 days and train up 2 additional characters on your main account (science V, lab ops IV). This way you could have 10 more BPC runs happening, so in 6 months if you came back to it you would have x3 BPC's available. If you really really are serious you could train the characters another 5 - 10 days each so they could each be also generating you R&D points. These R&D points are pretty much free isk at this point (to pay for more BPO's, or do massive manufacturing).

This is exactly what I am doing. Yes I will be losing roughly 25 days training to my main character. But after that 25 days I will have 2 more characters doing PI, generating R&D points, and making copies to use for T2 items (or reselling).

And as someone else said you could always start a second account and do this setup so you don't lose those 25 days. In the long run that loss of 25 days will really pay off though.

Indeed, it won't give you a great base of skills, it will give you a mess of a skillsheet where you can't do ANYTHING half decently, plus spent a lot of isk on a lot of ships fittings hoping that one is better than the last one you just tried, in a nutshell you'll waste a lot of time isk and more than likely give up on EVE because nothing is any good.

In that 2 months could could have 1 or 2 well skilled useful ships skilled up and having fun, seeing what Eve has to offer.

As someone that as a rule trains all trainable skills to level 2 to start, I disagree that diversifying is bad.

Diversifying only means you gain equivalent skill slower than someone who specializes. If you can deal with that, then diversifying can be very satisfying because of the choices it opens to you compared to being a specialist.

Keep in mind that the point of EVE is to have FUN! Only you can decide how you want to progress.

Example: My current skills. Currently I'm working on cross-training all other races of ships and turrets. I recently trained all turret skills to level 3 so that I can use any T1 turret, then I trained the support skills to 4 because I was having so much fun with projectiles. Now I want to try Amarr and Gallente, and plan to raise all the turrets to level 4 after that. Then Destroyers 5 and Battlecruisers 5 which I've been avoiding for years, but are still generic skills.

I don't have any immediate plans for T2 turrets, which is mostly what I'm sacrificing by not specializing. Eventually I will train them though. I could also change my mind tomorrow and decide to specialize in any of them.

I would also advise an even-split Intelligence/Perception map and a more diverse skill set as a beginning industrialist/missioner. The Mem/Int map is far too specialized for someone that new and you have, what, two free remaps before the one that starts the timer? You can easily switch later when you've played a bit and firmly established that this _is_ actually how you want to spend your hobby time.