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Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations
#41 - 2012-02-22 19:11:57 UTC
Caellach Marellus wrote:
Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:
Caellach Marellus wrote:
Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:
Seriphyn Inhonores wrote:
What do you in this situation? This is a common dilemma when it comes to questions of freedom, this time a question of freedom from interference. Many complain about Federation meddling in their affairs, and rightfully so, but is the opposite worth death?


I am posting this again so that you can read it, with the relevant bit bolded.


So we go into the incompetence of the Commander in charge of the Peacekeepers who didn't use all options available to him? I thought the point of this discussion was "What could have been done differently" not "Which do you prefer, to be shot in the face or shot in the back of the head?"


It's very clearly "What do you prefer? Intervening even where you aren't wanted, or letting people handle their own affairs unmolested even if the choice they would make is disastrous."


My understanding of the hypothetical scenario was that you were made unwelcome in the village you were trying to protect, anything you do outside of the village's jurisdiction is not for them to debate, it's not their area you're operating in anymore.

To which case see my reply much earlier on in this discussion.

If you're telling me one village has complete jurisdiction over the planet? Well apart from being somewhat unrealistic (if they had jurisdiction they wouldn't be under threat from a single rival) and the fact you have to act without the benefit of hindsight the choice is simple. You already have an agreement and they ask you to adhere to it, there's no further debate in that position. But I still find the fact one village has the run of an entire planet to be unlikely.


I am saying that the question has never been about "What would you do to prevent this awful situation" but "How would you handle this awful situation as it occured". Im not digging into insane hypotheticals I cant know anything about without asking Seriphyn extra questions, Im going based off the information he has provided and the question he asked.
Caellach Marellus
Stormcrows
#42 - 2012-02-22 19:21:36 UTC
Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:


I am saying that the question has never been about "What would you do to prevent this awful situation" but "How would you handle this awful situation as it occured". Im not digging into insane hypotheticals I cant know anything about without asking Seriphyn extra questions, Im going based off the information he has provided and the question he asked.


I gave you your answer, whichever way the scenario may be.

When your gut instincts tell you something is wrong, trust them. When your heart tells you something is right, ignore it, check with your brain first. Accept nothing, challenge everything.
Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations
#43 - 2012-02-22 19:49:09 UTC
Caellach Marellus wrote:
Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:


I am saying that the question has never been about "What would you do to prevent this awful situation" but "How would you handle this awful situation as it occured". Im not digging into insane hypotheticals I cant know anything about without asking Seriphyn extra questions, Im going based off the information he has provided and the question he asked.


I gave you your answer, whichever way the scenario may be.


non-interventionism, then?
Caellach Marellus
Stormcrows
#44 - 2012-02-22 19:59:09 UTC
Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:
Caellach Marellus wrote:
Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:


I am saying that the question has never been about "What would you do to prevent this awful situation" but "How would you handle this awful situation as it occured". Im not digging into insane hypotheticals I cant know anything about without asking Seriphyn extra questions, Im going based off the information he has provided and the question he asked.


I gave you your answer, whichever way the scenario may be.


non-interventionism, then?


Assuming this single village has the legitimate jurisdiction of the entire planet in their chartered agreement. If that's the case then without the gift of hindsight yes I'd leave, and monitor the situation from outside their jurisdiction. It's all I'm allowed to do in this situation.

Furthermore, I'd let them know that should anything happen we'd be a distress call away.

When your gut instincts tell you something is wrong, trust them. When your heart tells you something is right, ignore it, check with your brain first. Accept nothing, challenge everything.
FeralShadow
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#45 - 2012-02-22 22:18:05 UTC
I'd have offered extraction services for any members of the community that didn't feel they were represented by the decision to stay and fight without Federation help. I see no reason that innocent people would have to die because of the poor decisions of deluded "leaders". After taking those with me that wanted to go, I would have left, and those people who didn't want my help would have died anyways, without causing innocent casualties.

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia
Ava Starfire
Khushakor Clan
#46 - 2012-02-23 02:06:25 UTC
Pretty subtle.

I know where this is coming from, and why the "hypothetical" situation was constructed.

How about if that "village" is not within the Federation, but its own entity, its own sovereign nation, who have repeatedly expressed desires to walk on their own two feet?

Might be closer to the point he is hoping to make.

"There is no strength in numbers; have no such misconception." -Jayka Vofur, "Warfare in the North"
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