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CCP Tallest would love you forever if....

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Tore Vest
#81 - 2012-02-23 22:41:35 UTC
Petrus Blackshell wrote:


Half of Eve players actually fly Titans, CCP will really feel it when they all quit.

I dont think CCP cares..
I'm shure goons alone can feed them Bear

No troll.

Wirbin
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#82 - 2012-02-23 22:44:01 UTC
Vheroki wrote:
I DARE you to nerf that tracking the result you will see it in the monthly bills. When i see you guys post i just want to ask for my money back after 9 years.


I'm behind anything that causes more posts like this
Il Feytid
State War Academy
Caldari State
#83 - 2012-02-23 22:44:13 UTC
CCP Soundwave wrote:
That is why more than 1 guy should be balancing the ships, not that Tallest isn't awesome :D


We actually have three people dedicated to it now, the other two are just working on other areas (titan tracking, anyone?).[/quote]

Yes please.
CALUGARU
Amok.
Goonswarm Federation
#84 - 2012-02-23 22:46:40 UTC
everyone knows to expect any promises made by CCP to be late at least one year
though eventually they do deliver...
(in installments)

u jelleh

HELIC0N ONE
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#85 - 2012-02-23 22:49:40 UTC
RDevz wrote:
Vheroki wrote:

I DARE you to nerf that tracking the result you will see it in the monthly bills. When i see you guys post i just want to ask for my money back after 9 years.


I'm sure everyone at CCP is quaking in their boots at the thought of literally TENS of pilots unsubscribing, the effect that making the game better for everyone else will have on their bottom line.


No you see each titan pilot has several hundred alt accounts and they will all unsub, CCP will go bankrupt and Reykjavik will slip into the sea.
Kai Jyokoroi
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#86 - 2012-02-23 22:50:32 UTC
Vheroki wrote:

I DARE you to nerf that tracking the result you will see it in the monthly bills. When i see you guys post i just want to ask for my money back after 9 years.


Ohhhh, you little tease. You're getting me all worked up. Say that again in a cutesey voice.

Now pretend like I've been bad. Yeah. Go on. Tell me you'll leave the game again. Oh man this is so doing it for me. Come on.

OK I'm finished, now get out.

No, you can't have the taxi fare jesus christ
Sweet Felicia
Coreli Financial Holdings
Corelum Syndicate
#87 - 2012-02-23 22:55:32 UTC
CCP Soundwave wrote:

We actually have three people dedicated to it now, the other two are just working on other areas (titan tracking, anyone?).


You sir am terrible at public relations.

Nerfing or changing titans is a major issue for the game, balance of power etc.

You do not drop a bomb like this! Make a real thread or a devblog if you are serious about it.
Ladie Harlot
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#88 - 2012-02-23 22:59:54 UTC
Sweet Felicia wrote:
Nerfing or changing titans is a major issue for the game


I'm sure you meant to say that nerfing titans is a major fix for the game.

The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet.

Histocomp
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#89 - 2012-02-23 23:00:51 UTC
More details on DEATH TO ALL SUPERCAPS please Big smile.
CCP Punkturis
C C P
C C P Alliance
#90 - 2012-02-23 23:03:39 UTC
Jada Maroo wrote:
CCP Punkturis wrote:
MeBiatch wrote:
ok just googled it mat leave in iceland for men is 90 days... so three months... so umm when were the little ones born?


it's 9 months
3 for the mom
3 for the dad
3 months they can split however they like

but then you get more when you produce more than one baby at once, I don't know exactly how much more

now be nice and let Tallest enjoy the time with his super cute little dudesBig smile



This system seems exploitable. Make baby, have baby, get 9 months off, sell baby on black market, make new baby, have new baby, get 9 more months off, sell new baby on black market...

A clever Icelander would never have to work again and make a fortune selling babies.


this is pretty common, the black market for babies is pretty big in Iceland.

if you're coming for fanfest you better be sure what you're eating if you're not a person to eat babies (some people seem to have a problem with it)

♥ EVE Brogrammer ♥ Team Five 0 ♥ @CCP_Punkturis

Wen Illiad
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#91 - 2012-02-23 23:04:30 UTC
Vheroki wrote:

I DARE you to nerf that tracking the result you will see it in the monthly bills. When i see you guys post i just want to ask for my money back after 9 years.

I DOUBLE DOG DARE CCP to nerf Titan tracking.
Death2all Supercaps
Amok.
Goonswarm Federation
#92 - 2012-02-23 23:05:43 UTC
Histocomp wrote:
More details on DEATH TO ALL SUPERCAPS please Big smile.



Sup
Ladie Harlot
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#93 - 2012-02-23 23:12:02 UTC
Vheroki wrote:
I DARE you to nerf that tracking the result you will see it in the monthly bills. When i see you guys post i just want to ask for my money back after 9 years.


Vote for The Mittani for CSM7 if you want to see more hilarious posts like this.

The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet.

Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#94 - 2012-02-23 23:20:39 UTC
My popcorn BPO is all ME/PE'd up and ready to go, in preparation for more hilarious posts such as this:

Vheroki wrote:
I DARE you to nerf that tracking the result you will see it in the monthly bills. When i see you guys post i just want to ask for my money back after 9 years.


I do hope, however, that one of the main things to come in this focus on war, is a much better sov system which allows for more small skirmishes instead of forcing every system to become a fuckoff huge fight with 1000+ on each side. I'd say that'd be a more effective fix than nerfing titan tracking, although it has to be said that the amount of tears that would generate would probably be delicious.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat

Andski
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#95 - 2012-02-23 23:24:42 UTC
Vheroki wrote:
CCP Soundwave wrote:
Bubanni wrote:
CCP Soundwave wrote:
This whole having babies thing is awful. It gives people time off who should by all rights be strapped to their desks, making spaceship changes. I've suggested that people simply get dogs and cats instead of babies, but for some reason CCP refuses to implement this as a corporate rule.

Babies are bad, BAD.


That is why more than 1 guy should be balancing the ships, not that Tallest isn't awesome :D


We actually have three people dedicated to it now, the other two are just working on other areas (titan tracking, anyone?).



I DARE you to nerf that tracking the result you will see it in the monthly bills. When i see you guys post i just want to ask for my money back after 9 years.


EVE ToS wrote:
CCP MAY FIND IT NECESSARY ON OCCASION TO MAKE CHANGES TO OR RESET CERTAIN PARAMETERS OF THE PERSISTENT GAME WORLD MECHANICS, INTERFACE OR FEATURES OF EVE ONLINE IN ORDER TO MAINTAIN GAME BALANCE AND ENHANCE PLAYABILITY OR PERFORMANCE FOR ITS SUBSCRIBERS. THESE CHANGES MAY AFFECT OR CAUSE SETBACKS FOR THE CHARACTERS YOU’VE CREATED.


basically they have your money, deal with it m8

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar

Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#96 - 2012-02-23 23:27:53 UTC
Vheroki wrote:

I DARE you to nerf that tracking the result you will see it in the monthly bills. When i see you guys post i just want to ask for my money back after 9 years.


you've been around 9 years?

what was it like getting kicked out of scalding pass
and deteroid
and teneferis
and feythabolis
and esoteria
and delve
and fountain
and fountain again
and delve again

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.

Cireg
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#97 - 2012-02-23 23:40:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Cireg
Lord Zim wrote:
My popcorn BPO is all ME/PE'd up and ready to go, in preparation for more hilarious posts such as this:

Vheroki wrote:
I DARE you to nerf that tracking the result you will see it in the monthly bills. When i see you guys post i just want to ask for my money back after 9 years.


I do hope, however, that one of the main things to come in this focus on war, is a much better sov system which allows for more small skirmishes instead of forcing every system to become a fuckoff huge fight with 1000+ on each side. I'd say that'd be a more effective fix than nerfing titan tracking, although it has to be said that the amount of tears that would generate would probably be delicious.


The problem is that some alliances (including my own) is based upon being supercap heavy and not numbers heavy. It has been a deliberate choice, and adding the titan nerf to the already existing supercarrier nerf (and we all know that supercarriers aren't really a danger to a subcap fleet apart from ECM Burst) would remove the foundation of these alliances. That is of course a choice we've made, and have been aware that it could lead to a nerf. However, we are also a central part in the 0.0 warfare that has been going on for years, and the general feeling is that if the titan nerf is similar to the supercarrier nerf, then why bother?

Looking at rebalancing titans is fair enough. However from our point of view, a nerf of the titan in similar fashion to supercarriers would simply mean that CCP's vision for future 0.0 warfare is numbers > anything else, be it fleet composition, ingame skillpoints and FC abilities. Yes, good pilots will sometimes beat bad pilots while outnumbered. Good pilots however won't win against 600 man maelstrom fleets (with welpcanes and drakes) that can instapop triage carriers and anything else short of a supercarrier.

My concern is that if the nerf of titans will be as heavy as the supercarrier nerf was towards fighting subcap fleets, you'll have some rather important alliances in the 0.0 warfare deciding they can't be bothered waiting for a "fix" on sov warfare that removes the numbers > everything focus that is currently taking place from CCP. No one can be interested in that happening, despite how much in-game fighting and "hate" there is between our respective blocs.

I anticipate many "Your tears are delicious" and similar mocking tones, but I am not really that angry about the nerf, I just fear with CCP's track record of fixing things, there will be a long time between a titan nerf, and a fix to the whole sov warfare/numbers game issue.
Cireg
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#98 - 2012-02-23 23:42:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Cireg
EDIT: Double post!

Also, this seems to be quite an odd place to "announce" the rebalancing of titans is currently in the workings at CCP. Perhaps some more official blog or similar from CCP would be good, including what their initial thoughts and ideas are regarding titans? As in, what role CCP feel they should have in the future?
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#99 - 2012-02-23 23:44:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Weaselior
Cireg wrote:

Looking at rebalancing titans is fair enough. However from our point of view, a nerf of the titan in similar fashion to supercarriers would simply mean that CCP's vision for future 0.0 warfare is numbers > anything else, be it fleet composition, ingame skillpoints and FC abilities. Yes, good pilots will sometimes beat bad pilots while outnumbered. Good pilots however won't win against 600 man maelstrom fleets (with welpcanes and drakes) that can instapop triage carriers and anything else short of a supercarrier.

CCP's goal is for a balanced well-fought fleet to beat a numerically superior fleet with inferior composition and/or tactics.

"all titans, all the time" requires neither balanced fleet composition nor tactical skill. It is, in essence, a pure numbers game: whoever has more titans wins. It's just all the chaff is irrelevant.

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.

Cireg
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#100 - 2012-02-23 23:48:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Cireg
Weaselior wrote:
Cireg wrote:

Looking at rebalancing titans is fair enough. However from our point of view, a nerf of the titan in similar fashion to supercarriers would simply mean that CCP's vision for future 0.0 warfare is numbers > anything else, be it fleet composition, ingame skillpoints and FC abilities. Yes, good pilots will sometimes beat bad pilots while outnumbered. Good pilots however won't win against 600 man maelstrom fleets (with welpcanes and drakes) that can instapop triage carriers and anything else short of a supercarrier.

CCP's goal is for a balanced well-fought fleet to beat a numerically superior fleet.

"all titans, all the time" requires neither balanced fleet composition nor tactical skill. It is, in essence, a pure numbers game: whoever has more titans wins. It's just all the chaff is irrelevant.


The problem is, that while you argue that there is currently no counter to "all titans, all the time" (which I am not in complete disagreement with you on), my argument is that there is currently no counter apart from "all titans, all the time" to the 600 man Maelstrom fleet. You can alpha any form of logistics we can place on field, bombers during TiDi is unrealiable at best, Abaddons and Tengus are tried and tested, but when you reach the number of Maelstroms where anything gets alphastriked, there is really very little you can do, other than do the odd warp-in and snipe a little.

Like supercapitals stack incredibly well, so does the alpha on Maels when you reach the numbers CFC has mustered when needed to. If the titan rebalancing isn't quickly followed by a sov. warfare revamp that removes the "one system" objective where piling numbers in is the key, I foresee that quite a few of the alliances you enjoy fighting and banter with will just leave 0.0 and do something else.