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Fredfredbug4
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#61 - 2012-02-22 17:37:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Fredfredbug4
A secret suicide ganker trying to get as many miners in one spot so him and his friends can blow the **** out of everyone?

And just for reference, Miners have received nothing but attention from CCP for all of the history of the game really. The introduction of T2 ships only gave miners the hulk, insurance was nerfed because of miners whining about suicide gankers and CCPs lack of interest in taking on botters only shows how good the mining community has it.

But now that CCP told every miner "screw you go defend yourselves for once" you are all trying to recapture the glory days where you could AFK mine in a hulk without worrying about attacks or harassment.

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Joe Skellington
Sarz'na Khumatari
#62 - 2012-02-22 17:46:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Joe Skellington
I don't think we have enough players for a million.

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Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation
The Honda Accord
#63 - 2012-02-22 18:51:55 UTC
TheBlueMonkey wrote:
Egh,

Did you miss the bit where they're removing drone poop drops?
That's a mining boost right there.

What you should do it form some kind of well ballanced argument for what improvements you want for miners.
One that'll actually improve things for miners and not scew the game for everyone else.

I'll get you started,
A new mining ship that pulls in more ore will only lead to more ore on the market and the price will drop leaving you with the same income.

Removing mining bots will remove a large chunk of income for CCP and stick the price for ore up untill more people switch to mining, lowering the price to where it was before. The downside of this is it'll make ships more expensive in the short term which'll make PvP more expnsives.

"make mining more fun" that's like me saying "make watching paint dry more fun" the only way of doing that is be doing something different.

Mining, I know you're going to argue with this, is the lowest point in eve as far as fun\isk making goes.
You have chosen to do this, this is your choice, what do you want everyone else to do about it?


I'll try one more time, since reading what I've posted seems to be a challenge for you.

I do want to add to the experience, that is the point! The fact that you can't see how it could be more challenging and "fun" doesn't mean it can't be made more entertaining.

Change up the experience, make it dynamic and challenging (while still allowing for the leisure mining experience many enjoy).

Everyone thinks all miners care about is the isk. Folks that think that are missing the point. Mining hasn't changed at all in Eve. But everything else in Eve has, way more ships, modules and as a result tactics that evolve when in combat. Also in combat real talent changes the outcome. Not so in mining.

Mining needs a new advanced active experience, not just more of the same.

Issler Dainze
The Miner's Friend
CSM 7 Candidate
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation
The Honda Accord
#64 - 2012-02-22 19:06:32 UTC
Fredfredbug4 wrote:
A secret suicide ganker trying to get as many miners in one spot so him and his friends can blow the **** out of everyone?

And just for reference, Miners have received nothing but attention from CCP for all of the history of the game really. The introduction of T2 ships only gave miners the hulk, insurance was nerfed because of miners whining about suicide gankers and CCPs lack of interest in taking on botters only shows how good the mining community has it.

But now that CCP told every miner "screw you go defend yourselves for once" you are all trying to recapture the glory days where you could AFK mine in a hulk without worrying about attacks or harassment.


Show me one place where I've suggested anything of the sort. I understand risk and reward. I would support changes in aggression mechanics another player suggested in my CSM thread that improved the victims ability to respond.

As for attention? How many new mining ships since Eve started? How many new mining modules? How has the experience changed since the beginning? How long do miners have to have things like the small barges that aren't good for anything remain unbalanced.

CCP has ignored miners compared to every other aspect of Eve. Even the traders got changes in the UI that made their life better.

So it is time CCP showed the miners some love!

As for the secret suicide ganker thing, since I am asking folks to participate in NPC corp alts in noob ships, how many tears to do you expect from the miners,lots? If so you will be right because they will be tears of laughter as ganker after ganker loses ships that cost isks and we are treated to a fireworks display, maybe a fresh clone, one unit of trit and a new shiny noob ship to go right back to to the demonstration.

Issler Dainze
The Miner's Friend
CSM 7 Candidate.
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#65 - 2012-02-22 19:09:06 UTC
Issler Dainze wrote:
Nova Fox wrote:
The mttani is more likely to listen to my ideas on how to revamp mining than issler is.


No idea why you would say that. Please cite where I have ignored good ideas about improving mining from any source.

In fact I show I am lot more supportive of the complete range of experiences in Eve than any other candidate for CSM 7.

So please, share how you would make mining better. If you are really serious about improving mining then join the advisory council and work to bring the best mining ideas to CCP in CSM 7!

Issler



https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=6625&find=unread Mining is in section 4. Only 1 post for now.

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Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation
The Honda Accord
#66 - 2012-02-22 19:24:14 UTC
Steve Celeste wrote:
Why would you name your alliance after a Japanese car...


When I was naming the alliance I was trying to take into account the "history" of Tada O. We are basically based on surviving documents from an ancient earth industrial company based in Japan.

I looked for other words for an alliance and Accord popped up. Seemed like a natural fit!

History of Tada O

Issler Dainze
The Miner's Friend
CSM 7 candidate
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation
The Honda Accord
#67 - 2012-02-22 19:28:00 UTC
Nova Fox wrote:
Issler Dainze wrote:
Nova Fox wrote:
The mttani is more likely to listen to my ideas on how to revamp mining than issler is.


No idea why you would say that. Please cite where I have ignored good ideas about improving mining from any source.

In fact I show I am lot more supportive of the complete range of experiences in Eve than any other candidate for CSM 7.

So please, share how you would make mining better. If you are really serious about improving mining then join the advisory council and work to bring the best mining ideas to CCP in CSM 7!

Issler



https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=6625&find=unread Mining is in section 4. Only 1 post for now.


Because I didn't post doesn't mean I reject your ideas. For whatever reason I never saw the post. Sorry. I will read it in detail. You clearly gave this a lot of thought and I would love to work with you to come up with the best suggestions to forward to CCP.

Issler
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#68 - 2012-02-22 21:11:15 UTC
I will personally undock to join the mob.

For no other reason than it sounds like a fun thing to do. Like the old days when we'd organize flash mobs for low- sec runs in CAS.

Always a hoot to be a part of stuff like this.

Put me on your mailing list, Issler.

Mr Epeen Cool
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation
The Honda Accord
#69 - 2012-02-22 21:37:50 UTC
Mr Epeen wrote:
I will personally undock to join the mob.

For no other reason than it sounds like a fun thing to do. Like the old days when we'd organize flash mobs for low- sec runs in CAS.

Always a hoot to be a part of stuff like this.

Put me on your mailing list, Issler.

Mr Epeen Cool


Will do!

Issler
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation
The Honda Accord
#70 - 2012-02-24 07:44:56 UTC
Please monitor the "Mining Miners" in game channel for information about upcoming live events!

Issler
Taiwanistan
#71 - 2012-02-24 11:05:10 UTC
oh god flashmobs

TA on wis: "when we have a feature that is its own functional ecosystem of gameplay then hooks into the greater ecosystem of EVE as a whole, and it provides good replayability."
Valei Khurelem
#72 - 2012-02-24 11:07:53 UTC
Quote:
suicide gankers and CCPs lack of interest in taking on botters only shows how good the mining community has it.


Please try mining for more than ten minutes before you make such ridiculous statements.

"don't get us wrong, we don't want to screw new players, on the contrary. The core problem here is that tech 1 frigates and cruisers should be appealing enough to be viable platforms in both PvE and PvP."   - CCP Ytterbium
Ispia Jaydrath
Reib Autonomous Industries
#73 - 2012-02-24 12:06:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Ispia Jaydrath
Miners are professional victims. They couldn't organize even if they wanted to.

Highsec has never produced a viable political block; and even among hisec players, miners are the absolute last place to look for political organization or willpower.
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation
The Honda Accord
#74 - 2012-02-24 19:11:35 UTC
Ispia Jaydrath wrote:
Miners are professional victims. They couldn't organize even if they wanted to.

Highsec has never produced a viable political block; and even among hisec players, miners are the absolute last place to look for political organization or willpower.


They did once behind an infamous spork thrower. I hope it can happen again.

Issler
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#75 - 2012-02-24 19:38:25 UTC
Issler Dainze wrote:
As for the secret suicide ganker thing, since I am asking folks to participate in NPC corp alts in noob ships, how many tears to do you expect from the miners,lots? If so you will be right because they will be tears of laughter as ganker after ganker loses ships that cost isks and we are treated to a fireworks display, maybe a fresh clone, one unit of trit and a new shiny noob ship to go right back to to the demonstration.

I think some ~elite pvp~ people might consider coming with smartbombs to prop up their kill/death ratio.

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Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#76 - 2012-02-24 19:42:02 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Issler Dainze wrote:
As for the secret suicide ganker thing, since I am asking folks to participate in NPC corp alts in noob ships, how many tears to do you expect from the miners,lots? If so you will be right because they will be tears of laughter as ganker after ganker loses ships that cost isks and we are treated to a fireworks display, maybe a fresh clone, one unit of trit and a new shiny noob ship to go right back to to the demonstration.

I think some ~elite pvp~ people might consider coming with smartbombs to prop up their kill/death ratio.

argh he would never have figured that out

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation
The Honda Accord
#77 - 2012-02-24 20:05:37 UTC
Weaselior wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Issler Dainze wrote:
As for the secret suicide ganker thing, since I am asking folks to participate in NPC corp alts in noob ships, how many tears to do you expect from the miners,lots? If so you will be right because they will be tears of laughter as ganker after ganker loses ships that cost isks and we are treated to a fireworks display, maybe a fresh clone, one unit of trit and a new shiny noob ship to go right back to to the demonstration.

I think some ~elite pvp~ people might consider coming with smartbombs to prop up their kill/death ratio.

argh he would never have figured that out


Uhm, she... P

And if you somehow find honor in the death of NPC alts in noob ships then you are far too impressed with yourself.

Issler
Ispia Jaydrath
Reib Autonomous Industries
#78 - 2012-02-24 20:10:57 UTC
Issler Dainze wrote:
Ispia Jaydrath wrote:
Miners are professional victims. They couldn't organize even if they wanted to.

Highsec has never produced a viable political block; and even among hisec players, miners are the absolute last place to look for political organization or willpower.


They did once behind an infamous spork thrower. I hope it can happen again.

Issler


After a search, it seems likely that you're referring to ankh. If you're interested on a temperature check on this, I'd just like to say that "ankh" and "again" in that sort of proximity give me the screaming heebie-jeebies.

Of course, your constituency may disagree. The highsec mindset is a closed book to me, even if I have returned there.
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation
The Honda Accord
#79 - 2012-02-24 20:18:03 UTC
Ispia Jaydrath wrote:
Issler Dainze wrote:
Ispia Jaydrath wrote:
Miners are professional victims. They couldn't organize even if they wanted to.

Highsec has never produced a viable political block; and even among hisec players, miners are the absolute last place to look for political organization or willpower.


They did once behind an infamous spork thrower. I hope it can happen again.

Issler


After a search, it seems likely that you're referring to ankh. If you're interested on a temperature check on this, I'd just like to say that "ankh" and "again" in that sort of proximity give me the screaming heebie-jeebies.

Of course, your constituency may disagree. The highsec mindset is a closed book to me, even if I have returned there.


To really dissect her supporters, using a lot of high sec spamming and some hints of evil secret nefarious activities on the part of the other candidates she managed some impressive vote tallies. She claimed to support miners and industrialist, but in the end obsessed over FW in an manner that didn't help and would dominate meetings babbling about medals and such.

I felt all she was really trying to do in the end was get a job with CCP.

But she did show at least once, that high sec small corp miners and industrialist could support a single candidate. I was surprised to see that once she left no one was able to jump in and fill that void. I don't know why there isn't a "Take Care" party candidate anymore.

Issler Dainze
The Miner's Friend
CSM 7 Candidate
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#80 - 2012-02-24 20:24:05 UTC
Issler Dainze wrote:
Weaselior wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Issler Dainze wrote:
As for the secret suicide ganker thing, since I am asking folks to participate in NPC corp alts in noob ships, how many tears to do you expect from the miners,lots? If so you will be right because they will be tears of laughter as ganker after ganker loses ships that cost isks and we are treated to a fireworks display, maybe a fresh clone, one unit of trit and a new shiny noob ship to go right back to to the demonstration.

I think some ~elite pvp~ people might consider coming with smartbombs to prop up their kill/death ratio.

argh he would never have figured that out


Uhm, she... P

And if you somehow find honor in the death of NPC alts in noob ships then you are far too impressed with yourself.

Issler

yes, goons are all about space honor, you've got us there

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.