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Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation
The Honda Accord
#21 - 2012-02-21 21:35:43 UTC
Weaselior wrote:
Issler Dainze wrote:

I would be happy to lose to another candidate that actually supported the idea of improving the fun/hour of mining not just the isk/hour.

Mittens is not that candidate.

Issler

The Mittani is strongly in favor of the idea of improving the lot of the common miner, both isk-wise and entertainment-wise, as part of the Miner Population Restoration Program. We must reverse the environmental degradation that has thinned the mining herds and replaced them with bots.



Can you show anywhere that Mittens has supported a new mining experience?

Not isk/hour, fun/hour.

You aren't fooling anyone.

Issler
Aiwha
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#22 - 2012-02-21 21:39:03 UTC
The Super Smartbomb Shebang.

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Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#23 - 2012-02-21 21:41:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Weaselior
Issler Dainze wrote:

Can you show anywhere that Mittens has supported a new mining experience?

Not isk/hour, fun/hour.

You aren't fooling anyone.

Issler

The Mittani has stated so before, and has recently tweeted his approval of my thread explaining how he is the proper miner's choice for CSM. The Mittani is solidly in favor of anything that increases miner populations and reduces the population of bots within those miners.

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.
Nex apparatu5
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#24 - 2012-02-21 21:45:04 UTC
Hisec has never united for a cause, much less miners.

I'm going to guess you'll get maybe 25 people tops, and most of those will be your alts or alts of people looking to gank miners.
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#25 - 2012-02-21 21:45:11 UTC
The mttani is more likely to listen to my ideas on how to revamp mining than issler is.

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Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation
The Honda Accord
#26 - 2012-02-21 22:02:26 UTC
Nova Fox wrote:
The mttani is more likely to listen to my ideas on how to revamp mining than issler is.


No idea why you would say that. Please cite where I have ignored good ideas about improving mining from any source.

In fact I show I am lot more supportive of the complete range of experiences in Eve than any other candidate for CSM 7.

So please, share how you would make mining better. If you are really serious about improving mining then join the advisory council and work to bring the best mining ideas to CCP in CSM 7!

Issler
Bischopt
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#27 - 2012-02-21 22:03:22 UTC
Looking forward to seeing about a dozen miners march around highsec.

It's going to be just like the microtransaction riots last summer! just scaled waaay down.
Rek Seven
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#28 - 2012-02-21 22:25:10 UTC
Issler Dainze wrote:
Miners!

We are long overdue for some positive attention from CCP. We haven't seen a substantial change or improvement in Eve focused at miners for as long as I can remember. We have seen the effectiveness of mass demonstrations in gaining CCP's attention and it is time we show CCP we are a force to be reckoned with.

In order to shine the light on the miners of Eve during the CSM 7 elections I will be organizing gatherings for all miners in the major trade hubs over the course of the elections.

I am sure already folks are saying "wait, we will be ganked immediately". I am sure there will be a few of us that fall victims to the forces of evil but what I am asking is to make it not worth the cost.

Please join me for the first gathering Sunday. We will begin to gather in Rens at 18:00 Eve time. Please come in something you would not be afraid to lose. This means alts and noob ships or something you feel tanked enough to be safe. I will be setting up a chat channel to coordinate. Look for me to update this post as the weekend approaches.

I will be organizing these gatherings every weekend through the election. I encourage other miners to stage their own protests.

We will also be conducting flash mob mining ops throughout high-sec.

Miners unite!!

Issler Danize
The Miner's Friend
CSM 7 candidate


I've been feeling a bit down on EVE today but reading that just made me chuckle uncontrollable. Lol

Thanks Issler Blink

The wishlist is pretty much complete...
Reaver Glitterstim
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#29 - 2012-02-21 22:32:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Reaver Glitterstim
Issler Dainze, I don't fully agree with your ideas about mining and I urge you to think a little harder about your approach and tweak it a bit. That being said, I am a miner and I'd love to join this march. In fact I will bring a retriever, just to be classy. Please remind me when it's coming up so I don't forget, and thanks in advance!!

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Grumpy Owly
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#30 - 2012-02-21 22:52:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Grumpy Owly
Mittani Mning quotes:

The Mittani wrote:
"I know that it's ~completely mindblowing~ for a hiseccer, but most nullsec alliances don't mine. Except IRC.

Mining is awful. Don't do it."

...

"Mining basically died in nullsec - barring a few displaced carebears who kept at it despite a lack of profit - when the drone regions opened and began vomiting endless amounts of high-end minerals into the economy. I think the easiest fix for that is to remove 'gunmining' by giving the drones bounties like regular rats and removing their alloys. I enjoy killing miners, so it'd be nice to see mining ops in null besides IRC."

...

"I mined my ass off in 2005/2006 in Syndicate when the Swarm lived and died based on the prices of Zydrine, and Crokite was valuable enough that ops would be formed and defenses positioned to ensure that mining ops occured. The dynamic was interesting and dangerous, yet profitable enough that we'd do it despite the risk of being killed.

You're also wrong because you don't understand the concept of guards. Stealth bombers? Hurricane, please. Crying about AFK cloakers?

Nullsec requires profit to make mining worthwhile, and it should be dangerous enough to inspire people to run mining ops with guards. If you mine solo and whine about risk of being popped, that's because you're Doing It Wrong. "

...

"Gunmining in the drone regions is entirely the reason why mining has been devalued as a profession. I firmly support and advocate for a shift to bounties on Drone Region rats instead of alloys; this will stop the unceasing flow of highend minerals into the market, raise their prices, and make mining A/B/C worthwhile once more. Belts will have more miners - or have miners at all - and then we can murder them and read their whine threads on eve-o about how vile and cruel we are."

...

"This is pretty weird, because I haven't mined since 2006, but I actually know about 'the spod'. 0.0 mining in general needs a huge reworking, the first step of which is removing alloy drops from drone rats. After that, nitty-gritty tweaks to grav site compositions are somewhat beyond my capacity, though the usual ideas - superveld, etc - have been tossed around. Making mining in null worthwhile once more is a high priority for the CSM, however, as most of us miss blowing up mining barges, and in order to find exhumers to kill you have to make the sites profitable enough to make it worth mining in the first place."


So there seems to be a consistant message of him wanting to improve his lot in null sec by moving the distribution of ABC sources, likley at the expence of those who have an staked interest in NPC null sec. And in doing so likley to generate a larger isk faucet from bounties to make inflation worse by simply converting the present drone goo into isk.

And whilst I recognise the helpfull shift for mining, it would be better to redistribute this evenly in regards to drone goo and other loot refining in order to redistribute mineral importance back to mining accross the whole of EvE as a stratergy. Not just limiting it to solely drone goo, which is likley a rivals income. I would prefer to see drone goo go or be significantly reduced however for the interests of mining. But I would consider carefully wether isk sinks need to be better considered to compensate for the isk faucet shift with the introduction of drone bounties.

No mention of any significant changes to the mining profession itself directly as a resutl, just resources.

Apart form that there is little interest in mining developments other than ensuring a need to enthuse more opportunites to shoot soft targets.

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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#31 - 2012-02-21 22:54:30 UTC
You can't kill the goose that lays the golden eggs.

Bots don't cry, whine and make threads crying and whining when they get ganked.

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Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#32 - 2012-02-21 23:06:30 UTC
Grumpy Owly wrote:


No mention of any significant changes to the mining profession itself directly as a resutl, just resources.

Apart form that there is little interest in mining developments other than ensuring a need to enthuse more opportunites to shoot soft targets.

As the first quote proves, The Mittani is fully aware of how unfun mining is. However, there are two major problems with it: it's unfun everywhere, and it's simply not viable at all in 0.0. Making mining viable in 0.0 is a flat improvement to the game since its something that's just gone and would add a lot to the game to return. Making it not a horribly unfun process is a seperate issue: "don't mine" has been a refrain of goonswarm to our newbies for years as we don't want them burning out asking why anyone would play this game because we let them try to mine.

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation
The Honda Accord
#33 - 2012-02-21 23:08:31 UTC
Reaver Glitterstim wrote:
Issler Dainze, I don't fully agree with your ideas about mining and I urge you to think a little harder about your approach and tweak it a bit. That being said, I am a miner and I'd love to join this march. In fact I will bring a retriever, just to be classy. Please remind me when it's coming up so I don't forget, and thanks in advance!!


I'd love to learn more about what your ideas are about how to make mining better.

Remember, I am looking to create a panel of advisers to help create the best ideas to bring to CCP. The ideas I've shared to date were intended to start off conversations, not meant to be the final solution to all things in need if fixing.

Issler
MeestaPenni
Mercantile and Stuff
#34 - 2012-02-21 23:20:15 UTC
I'm thinking you'd have more impact if you all flew your Exhumers to Jita 4-4 and parked 'em right in front of the undock.

I am not Prencleeve Grothsmore.
Lyrrashae
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
#35 - 2012-02-21 23:38:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Lyrrashae
Issler Dainze wrote:
Weaselior wrote:
Miners, I urge you to think hard about who will actually support you, and read this thread here: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=72311

While Ms. Dainze may paint herself as "The Miner's Friend", careful analysis will show that your best option is to vote for The Mittani, King of Space.


I would really love to know how you think any miner that thinks for a moment about various barge-o-geddons would vote for anyone that was ever on the ganking end of that experience.

Issler


OP, please don't feed the troll Roll

Ni.
THE L0CK
Denying You Access
#36 - 2012-02-21 23:45:45 UTC
Issler Dainze wrote:
Reserved.



reserved

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SkiD-MaRk
Wambulance
#37 - 2012-02-21 23:46:14 UTC  |  Edited by: SkiD-MaRk
Weaselior wrote:
Issler Dainze wrote:

Can you show anywhere that Mittens has supported a new mining experience?

Not isk/hour, fun/hour.

You aren't fooling anyone.

Issler

The Mittani has stated so before, and has recently tweeted his approval of my thread explaining how he is the proper miner's choice for CSM. The Mittani is solidly in favor of anything that increases miner populations and reduces the population of bots within those miners.



You really are going balls deep for the Mittani. Though he has the votes of many including myself. Your attempts at making him you next lover is embarrassing.
admiral root
Red Galaxy
#38 - 2012-02-21 23:52:36 UTC
Issler Dainze wrote:
OK, you caught me... it will be closer to the ""bunch of miners march".


How can your potential voters trust you if you're going to get caught lying so easily?

No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation
The Honda Accord
#39 - 2012-02-22 01:10:24 UTC
admiral root wrote:
Issler Dainze wrote:
OK, you caught me... it will be closer to the ""bunch of miners march".


How can your potential voters trust you if you're going to get caught lying so easily?


I could lose millions of voters over this! Big smile

Issler
Nephilius
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#40 - 2012-02-22 01:19:00 UTC
Weaselior wrote:
Issler Dainze wrote:
Weaselior wrote:
Miners, I urge you to think hard about who will actually support you, and read this thread here: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=72311

While Ms. Dainze may paint herself as "The Miner's Friend", careful analysis will show that your best option is to vote for The Mittani, King of Space.


I would really love to know how you think any miner that thinks for a moment about various barge-o-geddons would vote for anyone that was ever on the ganking end of that experience.

Issler

While it is understandable that you would oppose miners voting for another candidate, the careful analysis I have posted in that thread concerning how The Mittani has every reason to improve the lot of the common miner speaks for itself.


I wanted to laugh, but somehow something so ironically funny only ellicited a snort from me.
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