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Interface Overhaul Desperately Needed
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Eso Es
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2012-02-21 20:31:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Eso Es
As a two week old player, I think I possess a unique insight into both the successes and the shortcomings of this game, more so than people have become "used to the way it is". As such this is what I would like the CSM to bring to the CCP, and anyone who says they are willing to champion this will have my vote for CSM, regardless of other platforms (Edit: unless you think hi sec war deccing isn't broken :P)- thats how important I think this is, and how much I believe an interface overhaul is needed.

-Bookmarks viewable in overview
Not the first time this has been brought up, but this still remains a gaping flaw in the current system.

-HOTKEYS
Coming from Starcraft 2, I cannot believe how lacking customizable hotkeys are in Eve. I can't even make a hotkey to enter a wormhole, wtf?? I would like to see a total overhaul of the hotkey system, allowing players to modify almost any command you make in the game into a hotkey. Would this be overwhelming to a new player? Maybe, but as they learn the game, and they see what actions they perform frequently, this would be a huge asset.

Examples:
-Add Contact
-Bookmark location (as is, I have to open 'People and Places' select the correct tab, then click 'add location'. (2 uneeded "clicks"

-Other Stuff
Why is the member count of a given corporation under the "attributes" tab, but that of an alliance is under "members". I have to constatnyl switch between tabs when viewing these stats - unecessary and cumbersome imo.

Im sure there are many more, but I have run out of time. Please add your own suggestions to this thread, its time for Eve to enter the modern "user friendly" era of PC gaming.

Additional Edits:

-"Open Cargo"
Why is there not a hotkey for this?

-Close/Minimize Windows
Rather than having to click to find a window, then manuever to the miniscule top right corner to minimize/close, why can't I simply click somewhere on the window and hit "backspace" to close it, for example.

-When hitting 'tab' to minimize all windows, if I then maximize 1 window, hitting tab again does nothing. I have to manually close the window I opened, then hit tab, and all windows then re open. This seems broken and counter intuitive. If I want to view a particular tab i should be able to open it, then hit 'tab' again to reopen all windows.
Velicitia
XS Tech
#2 - 2012-02-21 20:54:50 UTC
Eso Es wrote:

-"Open Cargo"
Why is there not a hotkey for this?

Because you didn't set one. Option is in the escape menu ... can't get in game right now to give you the absolute location though ...

Eso Es wrote:

-Close/Minimize Windows
Rather than having to click to find a window, then manuever to the miniscule top right corner to minimize/close, why can't I simply click somewhere on the window and hit "backspace" to close it, for example.

Because "Backspace" is used to remove unwanted characters. You should be able to use any other key combination though (see the first point).

Eso Es wrote:
-When hitting 'tab' to minimize all windows, if I then maximize 1 window, hitting tab again does nothing. I have to manually close the window I opened, then hit tab, and all windows then re open. This seems broken and counter intuitive. If I want to view a particular tab i should be able to open it, then hit 'tab' again to reopen all windows.

IIRC it's CTRL + TAB as default.

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia
Eso Es
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2012-02-21 21:00:30 UTC
Velicitia wrote:
Eso Es wrote:

-"Open Cargo"
Why is there not a hotkey for this?

Because you didn't set one. Option is in the escape menu ... can't get in game right now to give you the absolute location though ...

Eso Es wrote:

-Close/Minimize Windows
Rather than having to click to find a window, then manuever to the miniscule top right corner to minimize/close, why can't I simply click somewhere on the window and hit "backspace" to close it, for example.

Because "Backspace" is used to remove unwanted characters. You should be able to use any other key combination though (see the first point).

Eso Es wrote:
-When hitting 'tab' to minimize all windows, if I then maximize 1 window, hitting tab again does nothing. I have to manually close the window I opened, then hit tab, and all windows then re open. This seems broken and counter intuitive. If I want to view a particular tab i should be able to open it, then hit 'tab' again to reopen all windows.

IIRC it's CTRL + TAB as default.



I have been looking for the "open cargo" button for weeks, if it is in fact there I will feel like an idiot, but as is I've poured over those settings for the last 2 weeks and have never seen it. Additionally, if the hotkey does in fact exist, why is it not displayed under the "selected item" tab?

Thank you for clarifying these several issues, but again, the fact that I needed to come here to have them clarified is a detractor of the current system. I have played PC games for 10 years, and I think I know my way around a settings menu. To have to come here to find this information, rather than having it easily and obviously displayed in-game is a good reason to change these things.
mxzf
Shovel Bros
#4 - 2012-02-21 21:43:48 UTC
As Velicitia pointed out, there are many many hotkeys in the game which are not bound by default. This is better than having them all bound by default IMO because it lets you choose what you want bound and how, rather than every key combination being already bound. For instance, I know that when I set up a new client I have to re-bind about a dozen commands just to get the Alt+D,R,E and a couple other keys freed for the commands I want to bind to them; it's a pain, lol.
Velicitia
XS Tech
#5 - 2012-02-22 13:05:00 UTC
Eso Es wrote:
Velicitia wrote:
Eso Es wrote:

-"Open Cargo"
Why is there not a hotkey for this?

Because you didn't set one. Option is in the escape menu ... can't get in game right now to give you the absolute location though ...

Eso Es wrote:

-Close/Minimize Windows
Rather than having to click to find a window, then manuever to the miniscule top right corner to minimize/close, why can't I simply click somewhere on the window and hit "backspace" to close it, for example.

Because "Backspace" is used to remove unwanted characters. You should be able to use any other key combination though (see the first point).

Eso Es wrote:
-When hitting 'tab' to minimize all windows, if I then maximize 1 window, hitting tab again does nothing. I have to manually close the window I opened, then hit tab, and all windows then re open. This seems broken and counter intuitive. If I want to view a particular tab i should be able to open it, then hit 'tab' again to reopen all windows.

IIRC it's CTRL + TAB as default.



I have been looking for the "open cargo" button for weeks, if it is in fact there I will feel like an idiot, but as is I've poured over those settings for the last 2 weeks and have never seen it. Additionally, if the hotkey does in fact exist, why is it not displayed under the "selected item" tab?

Thank you for clarifying these several issues, but again, the fact that I needed to come here to have them clarified is a detractor of the current system. I have played PC games for 10 years, and I think I know my way around a settings menu. To have to come here to find this information, rather than having it easily and obviously displayed in-game is a good reason to change these things.


wait ... are you talking about YOUR cargo, or a wreck? That changes things...

anyway, assuming I can get a chance to log in tonight, I'll check through the hotkeys (sometimes they're in weird places).

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia
Tanya Powers
Doomheim
#6 - 2012-02-22 13:23:31 UTC
When I read "Interface Overhaul" I thought it was more about those pesky windows everywhere than key binds etc.

Well, at least has something related to the title: CCP why can't I have an interface looking like your trailers rather than this "thing" looking like a mix of "paint" and "excell"?

(was an ingenious work 10 years back by the way but, it's about time to do things differently? )
Vertisce Soritenshi
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2012-02-22 14:18:04 UTC
Eso Es wrote:
As a two week old player, I think I possess a unique insight into both the successes and the shortcomings of this game, more so than people have become "used to the way it is".


I read that and thought. "What the **** is this guy on?" but figured I would read a little further for the sake of giving the new guy a chance...

Eso Es wrote:

-HOTKEYS
Coming from Starcraft 2.

Got to that and just stopped. I mean, come on...really? REALLY?! We are gonna go there? No...no, we are not going there.

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Eso Es
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2012-02-22 21:45:20 UTC
Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:
Eso Es wrote:
As a two week old player, I think I possess a unique insight into both the successes and the shortcomings of this game, more so than people have become "used to the way it is".


I read that and thought. "What the **** is this guy on?" but figured I would read a little further for the sake of giving the new guy a chance...

Eso Es wrote:

-HOTKEYS
Coming from Starcraft 2.

Got to that and just stopped. I mean, come on...really? REALLY?! We are gonna go there? No...no, we are not going there.


Why wouldn't we go there? Starcraft 2 is an immensely successful game, friendly to newbs but challenging for the most hardcore.

TO BE CLEAR- I am not talking about default hotkeys, Im talking about custumizable hotkeys for all commands.

-Open wreck cargo is exactly what Im talking about, its crazy theres not a command for this.