Science & Industry

Hello

What do you guys think about getting the hulk buffed for more cpu / powergrid. this should be done so that the 0.0 miners can tank there ship without having to buy hundreds of millions worth of ship.

Either that or they should make a t3 mining barge, one that allows you to tank and mine more than the hulk. OBV this would cost more because of the bigger tank and the bigger mining ammount. This would help players that mine in 0.0 so much. You should also buff the retriever to have extra pg and cpu and have one more mid slot so that they can fit more tank and arnt as paper thin tank.

What do you guys think

THanks

It's quite simple - If you can't tank your hulk in 0.0 then you shouldn't be solo mining.

0.0 isn't for the solo player, it's for corps & alliances, so ask one of the ratters to come sit in the belt with you and pay him some isk for killing the rats, or even if they can get the aggro and perma-tank them then, that's the better solution since you won't get a re-spawn targetting miners.
Sure you can ninja mine in a quiet backwater 0.0 system, but then have to get the stuff out, so that's rorqual etc.

Mining sucks for so many reasons, bots, reprocessing loot etc, it doesn't need to be bigger it needs to be better, but that's not in any pipeline as far as we know.

Mining is dead, look for life elsewhere.

Incursions and ratting earn way more.

1 officer spawn can net billions.
incursions can earl you half a bil a day easy.

Mining you might get half as much as ratting without officer spawns, incursions even more.

You are better off also training in combat skills as these allow you to PVP (defend yourself and your corp) as well as do the afore mentioned activities. Training up those mining skills gets you no benefits in any other activity.

Mining is dead. Give it up.

Even if as the CSM and CCP's bullshit proposals happen, it will maybe get another 10-20% on top of current mineral prices. You'll still earn less than anyone doing incursions by a huge amount, you'll still get no easter-egg officer spawns.

No. Adding a new mining ship nor buffing the current ones will not help the mining profession in any way except dilute the market with more minerals due to a beefier mining ship.

The best solution is to improve the gameplay of the mining profession in a way that makes it less boring and more enjoyable but puts a crimp on the bot-user's operations.

One way of fixing the mining profession (without having to beef up miners or add a new one) was brought up by Mor Sanctitatis and I think this is an excellent idea that should be brought to CCP's attention. Particularly the bit about having "intuition" being a factor in picking out the right rocks (bots don't have intuition).

The best way to improve mining is to make drones drop modules instead of pure minerals.

Afaik 70% of all high end minerals come from the drone regions.

Except that it's supposed to be the Procurer that is the "starter ship" of the barge class, but it's outclassed by the mining cruisers (which are far more capable ships in terms of putting out decent yield while also having enough PG/CPU to fit a nice sized buffer tank).

Barges and exhumers need a balancing pass, and have needed one for years.

Hulk is fine for CPU and grid. I'd support a buff to it's shield (it is an over 200m tinfoil hull) and an enlargement of its drone bay.

The Mackinaw needs more CPU and grid.

One shouldn't be able to gank Exhumers in a Catalyst.

All the mining barges could also do with a boost to durability. Nothing insane though. The Retriever needs another mid slot or two.

I'd also support a new T3 mining ship that was bonused for ore and gas, and was more durable, built-in +2 w-stab like a Skiff, but mined less than a Hulk.

Holy god, I really do get sick of this "rainbows and puppy dogs" point of view when it comes to mining and we should all be sitting around singing kumbaya while mining because that's what everyone does right ?

Of course not.

If a part of the game is so obviously out of balance with other incomes in the games then there will be a fair percentage of people that would be mining for in-game income who then won't.

While many of the kumbaya singing miners in high-sec are in it for the wonderous corp drama, or setting up corp contracts each day to buy from their miners on the cheap, or just basically for the "friendly atmosphere" of their corps.

For many of us there has to be a keen business eye put to the industry before we invest billions of isk on pos's, capitals, implants and dead space fitted exhumers (not to mention our time) - and whether those same empire dwelling rainbow and puppydog "mining is ok" players can understand it or not - THAT is where many of us in 0.0 look for income and those are some of the outlays we have to go through each month EVEN IF we can find an alliance to "graciously allow us" to "mine in THEIR space".

I would seriously doubt anyone who has plex'd for any (more than a small) amount of isk in recent times would take this fairy tale approach to investing in mining (because it's just a game amirite ?).

Because if it is just a game, why not go invent t2 cruiser hulls and don't worry about the fact that goons has a stranglehold on the technetium or that t2 bpo holders will always be able to control the market.

Do it for the joy of it.

But of course, people that build t2 cruiser hulls are more likely to be the same people to open up a spreadsheet, do the sums and realise that t2 cruiser hulls just... aren't worth it to make. Instead they will make t2 modules and other things that it makes sense to create in-game because the money is worth it.

And by the same token, those same miners are slightly less likely to be the same people that will open a spreadsheet. After all, anyone can get into a t1 cruiser and mine and make e-friends on the internet playing their favourite game. To those people it surprises me not in the least that "mining is fine" to them.

Every time one of these threads start up, they go on about how mining is "ok". Meanwhile in other parts of eve, CCP is stopping things like seeding shuttles on the market because "it might be creating an illusory tritanium price". There are also many other micro-manged prices and industries that CCP often manipulates to make the game better.

But no, don't do that for mining please, because the empire dwelling pacifist bottom feeeders are really happy in empire singing around the campfire and would be doing it anyhow even if it earned nothing.

After all, isn't that what everyone is doing in eve? Amirite?

Not really. I am all around pilot in a sov holding alliabnce. We have syhstems fully upgraded and we dont make that much from officer spawns. Plus officer spawns are rare as mad. U have to be extremly lucky ot get them, Mining isnt dead because if it was wwere the hell u gettin ure ships from?? WQho the hell is building ure mods thqat you use to kill reds with. US. Us miners that sit in high sec and get ganked by people. Seriosuly take a look around. thers plenty of miners, some just dont mine while hulkafgeddon is on!

Yes we do have miners. No they arent idiots. Mining isnt a problem. I dont see the problem with mining