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Lol MIttani nice vote rigging and rest of candidates r3tarded

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Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#41 - 2012-02-21 13:54:04 UTC
Alpheias wrote:
Popcorn anyone?


too late, already ate mine.
Vertisce Soritenshi
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#42 - 2012-02-21 14:14:00 UTC
It isn't vote rigging. He has every right to campaign his own alliance to vote for him. Unfortunately he also leads a very large alliance. He will likely win. He will also likely get the vote of many of his pet alliances as well. TNT, TEST, etc...that is how it works in real life too. People don't vote with their brains. I am sure a lot of people voted for Obama because he is black and for no other reason than that. It happens. Fact of life. Get a big group of sheep that blindly follow any moron of a ape that comes along and you get pretty much whatever you want out of life.

Bounties for all! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2279821#post2279821
Akrasjel Lanate
Immemorial Coalescence Administration
Immemorial Coalescence
#43 - 2012-02-21 14:14:14 UTC
evereplicant wrote:
Quote:
I’m the only GSF candidate this time; Vile Rat is sick of Iceland. We’re going to need a metric fuckload of votes to secure the Chairmanship and – ideally – an indisputable mandate. I’d like to see us be able to c&p a ridiculous vote total as a one-line reply to every shitbird eve-o poster whining about us for the next year.

We’re not going to **** with this election cycle by vilifying a particular candidate like we did last year with Trebor; feel free to **** up Jita Park freely and spread it around evenly. Most of the CSM6 vets besides Darius 3 are solid people we and CCP can work with; a lot of the newcomers aiming for a CSM7 seat are borderline ********

We’re going to be paying out isk to artists for ~excellent~ campaign posters; each solid poster will net the artist 500m. This does not mean you can poop on a page and get money, we’re talking Stalhregen-level propaganda. If you have something good, post it in this thread.

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lol are you are so special too... but no alot think you are ******** too.. But with the goons numbers and dodgy election mechanics, im sure you will be sat with your ******** CSM members and you will get on just fine.

(and these are the idiots we have on the CSM Roll)

really r3tarded is a blocked word? now that is r3tarded


yea GFS and Mittani(who is a narcistic ****) give people the reason to hate them,

CEO of Lanate Industries

Citizen of Solitude
Rodj Blake
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#44 - 2012-02-21 16:13:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Rodj Blake
evereplicant wrote:



No this is not how democracy works, MPS dont have any attachment to a massive group of voters in RL. Stop talking rubbish...

Does your MP come around to your house have a drink? Do you go out and party with him, Do you go drive your car together? are you best buddies? Does he give you a back hander for some votes? Does he give you any type of replacement program?

Of course he doesnt, but i bet if he did you would vote for him..wouldnt you... but if this was RL then that would be err classed as vote rigging or manipulating votes now would it..

you cannot compare real life politics and elections to a bloody space game.. its totally totally different, especially morally

There is no organisation or campaining need at all, these are guaranteed votes.. please shut up


In the last year I've had interesting RL conversations with my own MP (a former cabinet member), MPs from two neighbouring constituencies (one of whom was a serving cabinet member at the time), several local councillors and the national leader of a party. And no, none of them were asking me for my vote.

I always thought that I was just getting involved in politics, but no, apparently I'm corrupt.

Dolce et decorum est pro Imperium mori
Lharanai
Fools of the Blue Oyster
#45 - 2012-02-21 16:22:28 UTC
Tippia wrote:
evereplicant wrote:
So you are saying having YOUR OWN alliance voting for you in hundreds is not vote rigging?
Let's see…

Electorate manipulation? No.
Gerrymandering? No.
Manipulation of demography? No.
Disenfranchisement? No.
Intimidation? Maybe, but it doesn't seem like it, and in particular, it doesn't seem to be needed.
Vote buying? Again, maybe, but doesn't seem necessary.
Misinformation? Definitely not — he's quite clear about what's going on.
Ballot stuffing? Actually, I've heard this was done, but it has nothing to do with having your own alliance voting for you…
Misrecording of votes? Nope.
Misuse of proxy votes? No.
Destruction or invalidation of ballots? No.

So no, no rigging.

What he's doing is simply telling his electorate to vote (presumably for him).

It's no different than the party leader telling the party to vote for the party and/or its candidate. Having a party is not vote rigging — it's political organisation, which is not just legal but often actively and even strongly encouraged in most systems.


in regard of terminology and definition I agree to 100% with you, the only problem I have:

EVE IS A DEMOCRACY ??????

darn I knew I missed something Shocked

p.s. come on people, relax, this is a game, and calling a campaign to get on a board to be able to make suggestions or give advise a fraud is a little bit over the top, or? - nice sentence or as you can see english is not my native language Lol

Seriously, don't take me serious, I MEAN IT...seriously
Roosterton
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#46 - 2012-02-21 16:26:42 UTC
evereplicant wrote:
Quote:
I’m the only GSF candidate this time; Vile Rat is sick of Iceland. We’re going to need a metric fuckload of votes to secure the Chairmanship and – ideally – an indisputable mandate. I’d like to see us be able to c&p a ridiculous vote total as a one-line reply to every shitbird eve-o poster whining about us for the next year.

We’re not going to **** with this election cycle by vilifying a particular candidate like we did last year with Trebor; feel free to **** up Jita Park freely and spread it around evenly. Most of the CSM6 vets besides Darius 3 are solid people we and CCP can work with; a lot of the newcomers aiming for a CSM7 seat are borderline ********

We’re going to be paying out isk to artists for ~excellent~ campaign posters; each solid poster will net the artist 500m. This does not mean you can poop on a page and get money, we’re talking Stalhregen-level propaganda. If you have something good, post it in this thread.

.


lol are you are so special too... but no alot think you are ******** too.. But with the goons numbers and dodgy election mechanics, im sure you will be sat with your ******** CSM members and you will get on just fine.

(and these are the idiots we have on the CSM Roll)

really r3tarded is a blocked word? now that is r3tarded


"dodgy election mechanics?"

How exactly is asking your constituents to vote for you, slamming your opponents, and paying isk for advertising/propaganda "dodgy?" This is the definition of politics, everywhere, and if you believe that this is stuff that would only be done by a single organization in an internet spaceship world, you're really stupid.
Florestan Bronstein
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#47 - 2012-02-21 16:55:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Florestan Bronstein
In my country the largest two political parties have each 0.7-0.8% of the total eligible voters as members.

At CSM 6 elections about 2.2% of eligible voters voted for "official" goon candidates (The Mittani and Vile Rat).

Don't see the big deal.
TheBreadMuncher
Protus Correction Facility Inc.
#48 - 2012-02-21 17:12:28 UTC
So I get banned for two months for posting "HTFU LOL LOL GO BACK TO WOW I DINT EVEN READ THE OPPPPP", but this next-level badposting isn't even locked?

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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#49 - 2012-02-21 17:20:30 UTC
If there was a reason to dislike the mittens, it's this "Washington DC flavor" coming to Eve.

Otherwise big deal.




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Killstealing
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#50 - 2012-02-21 17:27:30 UTC
evereplicant wrote:
trolled

i dont think you know what that word means you spergy autist man babby
Willard Mitt Romney
Doomheim
#51 - 2012-02-21 17:48:47 UTC
So far, I think the comments from the astute electorate/commentators here have missed a few points.

1) Mr. Mittani and his Goon Party apparently have a breach in their campaign and/or party communications apparatus. That's an embarrassment for any candidate, especially one who holds himself out as the faultless dictator of a elite organization of whup-butt tear collectors. I hope Mr. Mittani hasn't been using '12345' as his password like the president of Syria did. (Little joke there). In any event, I wouldn't want to be one of the goons who was responsible for counter-spy stuff.

2) Mr. Mittani promised 500mil isk for each piece of good propaganda submitted. That's quite a pile of do-re-mi. But he failed to explain the source of the funds. Will the payment come from his personal account, or from the Goons' alliance funds? Maybe Goons don't care whether their dictator spends their collective money on his personal campaign or not. Most taxpaying people would, though.

3a) Mr. Mittani's message implies that his being elected to the CSM is a group goal for the Goons. Not his own personal goal. In other words, that his being elected will benefit the Goons. That looks like pork barrel politics.*

3b) Alternately, the message could be interpreted as, "Goons, I'm running for office and I'm your dictator.
Therefore what's good for me is what you want, by assumption and by default. Therefore by assumption you are all just unthinking followers." That hurts the image of the individual members as elite whup-butt tear collectors. Makes them look more like sheep and sycophants. Not the right message to send.

Just pointing out a few compromising items coming out of this security leak. Candidates, I'd advise not letting this happen to you.

*Pork barrel politics (American English) - When an elected official improperly uses his influence to provide special benefits to his own supporters. Rather than using it for what he was elected to do. In the case of CSM officers, I believe their role is to improve the game for all of the players in it.
Chiggy W
Hard-Luck Industries
#52 - 2012-02-21 18:02:08 UTC
I literally amazes me how much dumb these threads attract.

Voting for someone in your corp/alliance/coalition is not vote rigging. If you honestly believe that voting for someone that moves in your social circle and has similar idea's, goals and interests is vote rigging, you need your head checked.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#53 - 2012-02-21 18:14:08 UTC
the top-secret CEO update posted in a secret forum readable by only 10k+ dudes was leaked, oh no!

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Trainwreck McGee
Doomheim
#54 - 2012-02-21 18:35:50 UTC
I like the goons more everyday. hahahahah

CCP Trainwreck - Weekend Custodial Engineer / CCP Necrogoats foot stool
Corina Jarr
en Welle Shipping Inc.
#55 - 2012-02-21 18:47:12 UTC
I'm confused, how is having more supporters than the other folks rigging?
Shanky McStabber
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#56 - 2012-02-21 18:50:25 UTC
Tippia wrote:
evereplicant wrote:
So you are saying having YOUR OWN alliance voting for you in hundreds is not vote rigging?
Let's see…

Ballot stuffing? Actually, I've heard this was done, but it has nothing to do with having your own alliance voting for you…
.


Have you seen how dreamy The Mittani is in Real Life??

He can "stuff my ballot" anytime he wants.

:SWOON:

Vote Mittani: CSM Chairman for Life!
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#57 - 2012-02-21 19:03:16 UTC
Willard Mitt Romney wrote:

2) Mr. Mittani promised 500mil isk for each piece of good propaganda submitted. That's quite a pile of do-re-mi. But he failed to explain the source of the funds. Will the payment come from his personal account, or from the Goons' alliance funds? Maybe Goons don't care whether their dictator spends their collective money on his personal campaign or not. Most taxpaying people would, though.

As the cfo of goonswarm, i have determined it is in the interests of the alliance to spend money improving the gameplay experience through electing the most competent CSM possible, and the most cost-effective way to do this is through ensuring that The Mittani remains head of the CSM.

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.
arcca jeth
Dark Alliance
#58 - 2012-02-21 19:04:29 UTC
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#59 - 2012-02-21 19:05:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Weaselior
to put 500m, "a pile of do-re-mi" to this poverty-stricken nobody in perspective, it is approximately 30 minutes worth of technetium income for goonswarm.

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#60 - 2012-02-21 19:35:11 UTC
Weaselior wrote:
to put 500m, "a pile of do-re-mi" to this poverty-stricken nobody in perspective, it is approximately 30 minutes worth of technetium income for goonswarm.


and we've spent far, far more than that on much, much sillier things i'm sure

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"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar