Jita Park Speakers Corner

but there is no campaign is there? its a complete certainty.. This is the problem, alliance leaders of large alliances pretty much guaranteed to have a pass straight into the CSM. I am not sure having your own alliance members voting for you really isnt democratic is it? and please dont quote the, well other people voted (yes goon alts)
I am not sure what the solution is, because of alts etc but its a bit 'rigged' no matter how you want to spin it

This is my personal view..whether you like it or not, you may have another view and well thats your view also.

Ooh I want to rig votes too!

HAI GAIS VOTE FOR ME!!11

Am I doing it right?

Let's see…

Electorate manipulation? No.
Gerrymandering? No.
Manipulation of demography? No.
Disenfranchisement? No.
Intimidation? Maybe, but it doesn't seem like it, and in particular, it doesn't seem to be needed.
Vote buying? Again, maybe, but doesn't seem necessary.
Misinformation? Definitely not — he's quite clear about what's going on.
Ballot stuffing? Actually, I've heard this was done, but it has nothing to do with having your own alliance voting for you…
Misrecording of votes? Nope.
Misuse of proxy votes? No.
Destruction or invalidation of ballots? No.

So no, no rigging.

What he's doing is simply telling his electorate to vote (presumably for him).

It's no different than the party leader telling the party to vote for the party and/or its candidate. Having a party is not vote rigging — it's political organisation, which is not just legal but often actively and even strongly encouraged in most systems.

It's not a problem that large alliances get organized and back their chosen candidates. That's how the democratic election process works. A candidate campaigns effectively with his base and organizes them to get the vote out and spread the word.

The problem here is the other idiots that whine that the CSM doesn't work and that it doesn't represent them and they do their best to get others not to vote. Not voting just makes it that much easier for the organized alliances to get their candidate in.

If you took the time you're wasting here whining about unfairness and instead spent it backing your chosen candidate and spreading the word to others about him/her, you'd actually be accomplishing something. Instead you're just wasting your time arguing how unfair things are because someone else put in *effort* and you haven't.

No this is not how democracy works, MPS dont have any attachment to a massive group of voters in RL. Stop talking rubbish...

Does your MP come around to your house have a drink? Do you go out and party with him, Do you go drive your car together? are you best buddies? Does he give you a back hander for some votes? Does he give you any type of replacement program?

Of course he doesnt, but i bet if he did you would vote for him..wouldnt you... but if this was RL then that would be err classed as vote rigging or manipulating votes now would it..

you cannot compare real life politics and elections to a bloody space game.. its totally totally different, especially morally

There is no organisation or campaining need at all, these are guaranteed votes.. please shut up

Eh… you mean aside from that happening pretty much everywhere all the time? You're making less and less sense here — the entire purpose of parties is to collect votes and to advocate voting for the party and its leaders. “Having enough votes to influence the outcome” is what parties are for.

I'm not. Why are you? You are confusing party representatives with party membership. But sure, if you want to go with real-world comparisons, it's like the Democratic party leadership telling democrats to vote democrat… and guess what? Every now and then when they try that, they have enough votes to influence the outcome.

Oh, and guess what else? Just because you tell them to doesn't mean they will — that alone disqualifies it from being vote rigging.

Are you illiterate?

“In many cases it is possible for authorities to artificially control the composition of an electorate in order to produce a foregone result. One way of doing this is to move a large number of voters into the electorate prior to an election, for example by temporarily assigning them land or lodging them in flophouses.”

“Another strategy is to permanently move people into an electorate, usually through public housing.”

“Immigration law may also be used to manipulate electoral demography.”

“A method of manipulating primary contests and other elections of party leaders is related to this. People who support one party may temporarily join another party in order to help elect a weak candidate for that party's leadership, in the hope that they will be defeated by the leader of the party that they secretly support.”

These are the strategies listed for manipulation of demography. There is just one problem: there is only one electorate in EVE — it is “all of EVE”. You can't move people in or out of it to alter the results of what the electorate will vote for. Alliance or not, it's simply not applicable (although many people saying the CSM process is broken are advocating a system that would allow the goons to do this). The tactic of false-flag voting a weak opponent doesn't work either because it's not an oppositional system — it's a vote for a body of people. You could argue that registering tons of newbie accounts could be seen as a version of this, but it's actually more a case of ballot stuffing… and having an alliance makes no difference.

So no, manipulation of demography is out of the question by default since there is no demographic division to manipulate.

So why are you using the real world as an example?

The fact remains: telling your party to vote for the party is not vote rigging — it's just plain old political activism and the most fundamental of campaigning. Having a party large enough to affect the outcome is not even remotely unheard of…

Ummm ... yes, yes it really is how democracy works. Suck it up cupcake.

When you have a real clue, come on back to the discussion. Until then you'll just have to settle for being wrong.

Thank you for your opinion Eve Trade Alliance.

From Evecomic23.5 eh? must be true then, snotverini never lies.