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One EVE, One Vote, One Chairman: Why You Should Vote For The Mittani For CSM

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Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#41 - 2012-02-21 00:33:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Weaselior
Marlona Sky wrote:
Every goon is going to blindly vote for The Mittani simply because he is thier leader. Due to the small fraction of players who actually vote; having an organized minority like Goonswarm Federation, securing the chairman position on the CSM is easy. So if your not a goon, but you still like what he brings to the table, DO NOT VOTE FOR HIM! You're getting a free vote to use on someone else who wants to push the agendas you want who is not The Mittani.

If you don't comprehend this, then you should not be voting at all really.

We are not merely seeking the chairmanship for The Mittani: we are seeking a mandate. The Mittani won the chairmanship in a landslide last election, giving him the political capital to structure the CSM into a powerful political body capable of influencing CCP. We are seeking an even greater mandate this year, to break the record set last year (by Mittens) and demonstrate unequivocally that all of EVE is united behind the slogan One EVE, One Vote, One Chairman.

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.

Il Feytid
State War Academy
Caldari State
#42 - 2012-02-21 00:47:20 UTC
Weaselior wrote:
Marlona Sky wrote:
Every goon is going to blindly vote for The Mittani simply because he is thier leader. Due to the small fraction of players who actually vote; having an organized minority like Goonswarm Federation, securing the chairman position on the CSM is easy. So if your not a goon, but you still like what he brings to the table, DO NOT VOTE FOR HIM! You're getting a free vote to use on someone else who wants to push the agendas you want who is not The Mittani.

If you don't comprehend this, then you should not be voting at all really.

We are not merely seeking the chairmanship for The Mittani: we are seeking a mandate. The Mittani won the chairmanship in a landslide last election, giving him the political capital to structure the CSM into a powerful political body capable of influencing CCP. We are seeking an even greater mandate this year, to break the record set last year (by Mittens) and demonstrate unequivocally that all of EVE is united behind the slogan One EVE, One Vote, One Chairman.


No man is an island.
Reilly Duvolle
Hydra Squadron
#43 - 2012-02-21 00:57:16 UTC
Weaselior wrote:

The Mittani, King of Space, is the best-known advocate for a technetium nerf. Technetium, for those who are unaware, currently produces approximately 718 billion isk per month for goonswarm, yet The Mittani has advocated for its nerf at every turn due to the poor effect it has had on game balance. The Mittani has had the chance to advocate for Goonswarm's financial interests at the expense of the game, and has not taken it. The Mittani is the only candidate who has passed such a test.


You are certainly living up to your name Weasel.

Sure, The Goons hold a lot of Tech, generating huge income. And yes, The Mittani wants tech nerfed.

But The Mittani does not want Tech nerfed because "it has a poor effect it on game balance". Thats laughable.

He wants it nerfed because his in-game enemies has even more tech income. That income translates to finanical muscle to purchase - among other things - supercaps (another of Mittanis favorite nerf objectives). And since Goonswarm is unable to take all this tech by force, the strategic imbalance between CFC and Team Tech grows every day.

So, what naturally follows from this situation is Goon two main stratetic objectives - nerf tech income and (preferably) nerf subercaps into oblivion. Sure it will hit Goonswarm hard as well, but it will free them to capitilize on their biggest assets, their numbers. A double nerf (tech + supers) will hit team tech far harder - setting the stage for Goon dominance later on. Also, since this stratgy actually hurts Goons, you can capitalize on it in your propaganda war.

Which is what you are doing here.
Vicky Somers
Rusty Anchor
#44 - 2012-02-21 01:02:46 UTC
moar liek king of neckbeards, scruffy goatees and 4chan antics amirite???

If the goons were such epic trolls as they claim in the bajillion threads posted by them here daily, they would vote for anyone but mittens.
Ris Dnalor
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#45 - 2012-02-21 01:04:17 UTC
Weaselior wrote:
Hello there. I’m Weaselior. You may remember me from the Gallente Ice Interdiction, explaining in detail about how you would be murdered if you showed up in a Gallente ice belt. Today, however, I am not here to tell you I plan to murder you. Instead, I’m here to tell you about a candidate for CSM; a candidate for the Chairman of the CSM. The Mittani, King of Space, is running for re-election to the CSM and I’m here to tell you why you should vote for him.

“But Weaselior,” you may cry, “why would I vote for a man who wants nothing more than to drop a brutix on me? Surely what I want in a CSM candidate is a man after my own heart, who wants nothing more than to mine all day! And why should I take advice on who to vote for from a man who wants nothing more than to drop a tornado on me and then blow my pod up with a thrasher?” I’ll tell you why: there is no candidate who values you more than The Mittani. Other candidates will make wild promises, about how they will promise you that mining will be fixed, mining bots scourged from EVE, and the like. They will also fill pages with wild screeds about how highsec will become a barren wasteland if The Mittani is allowed to have his way, painting a picture of a horrific dystopia where brutixes annihilate anyone who dares undock.

Nothing could be further from the truth.

Just as the first conservationists were hunters, seeking to preserve the pristine wilderness and the animals within it, so they might from time to time stroll through that wilderness and shoot everything in sight. After all, it is rather a disappointment to wander through an empty field with enough firepower to equip a small regiment and not see even a single rabbit worth blasting to smithereens. So too, The Mittani values your health and welfare, and values the preservation of highsec as an idyllic wilderness where you can graze on veldspar to your heart’s content. Other candidates may claim they wish to improve mining, or make highsec more fun, or to scourge bots out of the belts. But really, what is their motivation to follow through? They’re not a credible voice to CCP – after all, it looks like they merely wish to pad their own wallets and advance their own parochial interests. Nor do they have a real incentive – if elected, they’ll already have gained the only thing they sought, recognition. They will not have the vision to see what could be done – after all, they’ve experienced only a small slice of what EVE has to offer. Nor will they have the force of will to represent any ideas they have well: years in the asteroid belts fighting rocks that do not fight back does not produce the sort of forceful personality necessary to represent you.
How do you know The Mittani has your best interests at heart? Just like Teddy Roosevelt – hunter, meat-lover, conservationist – The Mittani values your continued existence. The Mittani realizes it is important to keep you, and your many friends, happily mining in belts because without you, there is no one to gank. And The Mittani values your tireless work in the belts and would like to encourage even more people to populate the belts. And, just like you, The Mittani hates the highsec mining bot. We understand your frustration when you are crowded out by bots. We too value people mining in the belts. A bot, after all, does not complain when they lose a ship. A bot will instantly warp out when ganked, avoiding having their pod cracked open like an egg. We share your desire for more profitable, more bot-free, and more fun mining: because we’d like you in the belts.
It is true that from time to time I, or The Mittani, may attempt to kill you. We may even do so repeatedly, on a massive scale. But really, this is as much in your interests as ours. Sure, the dumber people may continually wander into the interdicted ice fields with nary a concern in the world for why that rookie ship is beelining to them and where all those wrecks came from. But you, the educated highsec voter, are a cut above this common idiot. You have your day made more interesting: do you mine the forbidden ice, reaping greater profits at the risk of a tornado swooping in and making your ship vanish in a flash? Or do you kneel to the King of Space and avoid the forbidden ice? Either way, you have been given something new to react to and do.

You will hear much from candidates trying to play on your fears, to convince you to vote for them because they are the “anti-goon”. Left unsaid, of course, will be their qualifications and what they can do for you. They think you’re a fool, that you will be willing to send them on a free trip to Iceland merely by playing on your fears, knowing you’d never consider them a worthy candidate were you to carefully mull over your options.

The Mittani may spend countless hours mulling over the best way to kill you. He may even spend sums of isk that seem unimaginable to you just for the pleasure of blowing you up en masse. But goonswarm realizes that we cannot hunt the highsec miner to extinction. We are not the shortsighted hunters who see an unending field of buffalo and hunt them to extinction: we seek to maintain the harmony of highsec, with miners fat and plentiful so that the screams as brutixes rain from the sky every so often remain the beautiful melody we have all come to love. And it is that connection, those shared interests, that make The Mittani the candidate for you.

We can rise above those petty fools who seek to divide us for their own crude gains. We can prevent unqualified idiots from playing on your fears to gain status they have no right to. We are all in this together. We can all unite behind the Chairman for Life, King of Space, The Mittani.

One EVE, One Vote, One Chairman.

Vote Mittani in the upcoming CSM Election.


the Mittani has my vote(s)

o7

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=118961

EvE = Everybody Vs. Everybody

  • Qolde
Jita Alt666
#46 - 2012-02-21 01:09:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Jita Alt666
Reilly Duvolle wrote:
Weaselior wrote:

The Mittani, King of Space, is the best-known advocate for a technetium nerf. Technetium, for those who are unaware, currently produces approximately 718 billion isk per month for goonswarm, yet The Mittani has advocated for its nerf at every turn due to the poor effect it has had on game balance. The Mittani has had the chance to advocate for Goonswarm's financial interests at the expense of the game, and has not taken it. The Mittani is the only candidate who has passed such a test.


You are certainly living up to your name Weasel.

Sure, The Goons hold a lot of Tech, generating huge income. And yes, The Mittani wants tech nerfed.

But The Mittani does not want Tech nerfed because "it has a poor effect it on game balance". Thats laughable.

He wants it nerfed because his in-game enemies has even more tech income. That income translates to finanical muscle to purchase - among other things - supercaps (another of Mittanis favorite nerf objectives). And since Goonswarm is unable to take all this tech by force, the strategic imbalance between CFC and Team Tech grows every day.

So, what naturally follows from this situation is Goon two main stratetic objectives - nerf tech income and (preferably) nerf subercaps into oblivion. Sure it will hit Goonswarm hard as well, but it will free them to capitilize on their biggest assets, their numbers. A double nerf (tech + supers) will hit team tech far harder - setting the stage for Goon dominance later on. Also, since this stratgy actually hurts Goons, you can capitalize on it in your propaganda war.

Which is what you are doing here.


Please list here an accurate count of who owns what Tech moons:
Location
Owner
Date claimed
Possible cycles run
Please divide your list into two columns - pro goons and anti goons.

If you can not do so, the claims you have made are mere posturing. Your implication that CFC and Team Tech are the red vs blue of 0.0 is a dumbed down ignorant falsehood cast by evenews24. My alliance currently has Goons set red and Hydra set blue, but we'd rather see Hydra out of null than see goons fall over.
Reilly Duvolle
Hydra Squadron
#47 - 2012-02-21 01:16:25 UTC
Jita Alt666 wrote:

Please list here an accurate count of who owns what Tech moons:
Location
Owner
Date claimed
Possible cycles run
Please divide your list into two columns - pro goons and anti goons.

If you can not do so, the claims you have made are mere posturing..


Why dont you do it yourself Toolface? Prove me wrong, I dare you.
Jita Alt666
#48 - 2012-02-21 01:25:07 UTC
Reilly Duvolle wrote:
Jita Alt666 wrote:

Please list here an accurate count of who owns what Tech moons:
Location
Owner
Date claimed
Possible cycles run
Please divide your list into two columns - pro goons and anti goons.

If you can not do so, the claims you have made are mere posturing..


Why dont you do it yourself Toolface? Prove me wrong, I dare you.


I did not post to provide the answers merely to provide balance to your viewpoint.
Paragon Renegade
Sebiestor Tribe
#49 - 2012-02-21 01:28:55 UTC
I find it funny; this post would have made the same amount of sense if it had been phrased it this way:

"People create antibodies to adapt to disease"

"Cool"

"So if we give this guy smallpox, eventually he'll become immune, right?"

"Right"

"So let's infect everyone in the world with smallpox, everyone who survives will be immune! :D"

And yes, I know that's what vaccinations are, but this is the vibe I got from the OP.

The pie is a tautology

Ai Shun
#50 - 2012-02-21 01:37:18 UTC
Reilly Duvolle wrote:
Jita Alt666 wrote:

Please list here an accurate count of who owns what Tech moons:
Location
Owner
Date claimed
Possible cycles run
Please divide your list into two columns - pro goons and anti goons.

If you can not do so, the claims you have made are mere posturing..


Why dont you do it yourself Toolface? Prove me wrong, I dare you.


Well, you are the one making paranoid claims. The burden of proof falls on you for making the tinfoil hattish claim. The sensible people will just snicker at you and wait until you provide at least some reasonable evidence of your assertions.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#51 - 2012-02-21 01:53:01 UTC
Reilly Duvolle wrote:
Weaselior wrote:

The Mittani, King of Space, is the best-known advocate for a technetium nerf. Technetium, for those who are unaware, currently produces approximately 718 billion isk per month for goonswarm, yet The Mittani has advocated for its nerf at every turn due to the poor effect it has had on game balance. The Mittani has had the chance to advocate for Goonswarm's financial interests at the expense of the game, and has not taken it. The Mittani is the only candidate who has passed such a test.


You are certainly living up to your name Weasel.

Sure, The Goons hold a lot of Tech, generating huge income. And yes, The Mittani wants tech nerfed.

But The Mittani does not want Tech nerfed because "it has a poor effect it on game balance". Thats laughable.

He wants it nerfed because his in-game enemies has even more tech income. That income translates to finanical muscle to purchase - among other things - supercaps (another of Mittanis favorite nerf objectives). And since Goonswarm is unable to take all this tech by force, the strategic imbalance between CFC and Team Tech grows every day.

So, what naturally follows from this situation is Goon two main stratetic objectives - nerf tech income and (preferably) nerf subercaps into oblivion. Sure it will hit Goonswarm hard as well, but it will free them to capitilize on their biggest assets, their numbers. A double nerf (tech + supers) will hit team tech far harder - setting the stage for Goon dominance later on. Also, since this stratgy actually hurts Goons, you can capitalize on it in your propaganda war.

Which is what you are doing here.


hi,

we've been campaigning for a tech nerf long before our enemies ever held a substantial amount of it

even if you're right, which you're not, the motivation is irrelevant because tech IS imbalanced, moron

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar

Taedrin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#52 - 2012-02-21 01:53:53 UTC
Weaselior wrote:
Marlona Sky wrote:
Every goon is going to blindly vote for The Mittani simply because he is thier leader. Due to the small fraction of players who actually vote; having an organized minority like Goonswarm Federation, securing the chairman position on the CSM is easy. So if your not a goon, but you still like what he brings to the table, DO NOT VOTE FOR HIM! You're getting a free vote to use on someone else who wants to push the agendas you want who is not The Mittani.

If you don't comprehend this, then you should not be voting at all really.

We are not merely seeking the chairmanship for The Mittani: we are seeking a mandate. The Mittani won the chairmanship in a landslide last election, giving him the political capital to structure the CSM into a powerful political body capable of influencing CCP. We are seeking an even greater mandate this year, to break the record set last year (by Mittens) and demonstrate unequivocally that all of EVE is united behind the slogan One EVE, One Vote, One Chairman.


I'm going to have to disagree with you here - The Mittani didn't run for CSM because he wanted to turn it into a "powerful political body capable of influencing CCP". He ran for CSM because:

Quote:

In the early days of the CSM, alliance candidates made up the bulk of representatives, as their superior organization allowed for more effective campaigns. But the alliances had essentially given up on the CSM, rolling their collective eyes as the yearly ‘this time it matters’ campaign kicked off.

Unfortunately for nullsec, CSM5 actually did matter - in all the wrong ways. With the year-long term, stakeholder status and a gaggle of bushy-tailed representatives, CSM5 and CCP prepared to tackle all sorts of issues - including the crippling failures of the Dominion system which alliance citizens must cope with daily.


The Mittani ran for CSM because CSM5, despite their incompetency, showed just how much of a (negative) influence the CSM can have. He set out to reverse the damage that the CSM5 had done to EVE. Of course, CCP sort of distracted them with that whole "Incarna" thing, but I'm sure he'll get back to it now that Crucible is out.
Reilly Duvolle
Hydra Squadron
#53 - 2012-02-21 01:56:52 UTC
Andski wrote:

hi,

we've been campaigning for a tech nerf long before our enemies ever held a substantial amount of it

even if you're right, which you're not, the motivation is irrelevant because tech IS imbalanced, moron


Got any proof, Moron?
Paragon Renegade
Sebiestor Tribe
#54 - 2012-02-21 01:59:05 UTC
If only people did this to Republican ads :D

The pie is a tautology

Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#55 - 2012-02-21 02:00:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Andski
Reilly Duvolle wrote:
Andski wrote:

hi,

we've been campaigning for a tech nerf long before our enemies ever held a substantial amount of it

even if you're right, which you're not, the motivation is irrelevant because tech IS imbalanced, moron


Got any proof, Moron?


i'm not going to dig through pages of forum archives for you when you're the one asserting some bullshit tinfoil theory about the ~real motivation~ behind our campaign to nerf technetium

also your supposed motivation makes absolutely no sense

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar

Taedrin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#56 - 2012-02-21 02:04:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Taedrin
Reilly Duvolle wrote:
Weaselior wrote:

The Mittani, King of Space, is the best-known advocate for a technetium nerf. Technetium, for those who are unaware, currently produces approximately 718 billion isk per month for goonswarm, yet The Mittani has advocated for its nerf at every turn due to the poor effect it has had on game balance. The Mittani has had the chance to advocate for Goonswarm's financial interests at the expense of the game, and has not taken it. The Mittani is the only candidate who has passed such a test.


You are certainly living up to your name Weasel.

Sure, The Goons hold a lot of Tech, generating huge income. And yes, The Mittani wants tech nerfed.

But The Mittani does not want Tech nerfed because "it has a poor effect it on game balance". Thats laughable.

He wants it nerfed because his in-game enemies has even more tech income. That income translates to finanical muscle to purchase - among other things - supercaps (another of Mittanis favorite nerf objectives). And since Goonswarm is unable to take all this tech by force, the strategic imbalance between CFC and Team Tech grows every day.

So, what naturally follows from this situation is Goon two main stratetic objectives - nerf tech income and (preferably) nerf subercaps into oblivion. Sure it will hit Goonswarm hard as well, but it will free them to capitilize on their biggest assets, their numbers. A double nerf (tech + supers) will hit team tech far harder - setting the stage for Goon dominance later on. Also, since this stratgy actually hurts Goons, you can capitalize on it in your propaganda war.

Which is what you are doing here.


And this is TOTALLY what happened when the Goons had more Titans than anyone else, and they called for the Area Effect Doomsday to be nerfed, and even made a point of it by demonstrating that it was possible to accumulate enough Titans to instapop a fleet of dreads with a couple dozen Titans.

Trust me, the goons have enough technetium to keep their armies funded. Hell, they even have enough technetium to fund MULTIPLE high sec suicide gank fests. If goons were worried about finances, they wouldn't be throwing all that ISK away just for lulz. On the contrary, it shows that The Mittani realizes that it isn't poor finances which cause alliances to collapse - it's member apathy who grow bored of grinding without some sort of war or event to keep them occupied.
Reilly Duvolle
Hydra Squadron
#57 - 2012-02-21 02:06:24 UTC
Andski wrote:
Reilly Duvolle wrote:
Andski wrote:

hi,

we've been campaigning for a tech nerf long before our enemies ever held a substantial amount of it

even if you're right, which you're not, the motivation is irrelevant because tech IS imbalanced, moron


Got any proof, Moron?


i'm not going to dig through pages of forum archives for you when you're the one asserting some bullshit tinfoil theory about the ~real motivation~ behind our campaign to nerf technetium

also your supposed motivation makes absolutely no sense


I guess the burden of proof must only apply to those that question your real motivations, and not you that make these claims. Too funny.
Krios Ahzek
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#58 - 2012-02-21 02:06:25 UTC
Cipher Jones wrote:
Nothing in the world is more pathetic than a man giving another man a verbal blowjob.


lies


your mother

 Though All Men Do Despise Us

Krios Ahzek
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#59 - 2012-02-21 02:07:03 UTC
and by extension, everything she has ever created

 Though All Men Do Despise Us

Krios Ahzek
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#60 - 2012-02-21 02:07:28 UTC
including you.

 Though All Men Do Despise Us