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One EVE, One Vote, One Chairman: Why You Should Vote For The Mittani For CSM

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Johnny Marzetti
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#281 - 2012-02-22 01:11:28 UTC
Reilly Duvolle wrote:

pardon?


Oh for Pete's sake, it's right at the top of the moon list. "All moon mineral informations are based on user reports (no guarante). If you want to improve the database, contact me (Wollari) ingame." (sic)

Sov holding alliances are not exactly eager to divulge the details of their regions' moons. Dotlan is not an all seeing eye.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#282 - 2012-02-22 01:12:30 UTC
Educating pubbies ITT?

I imagine it's hard to scan them, what with bees camping all the gates, so I sympathize with the people who uploaded that data.

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Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#283 - 2012-02-22 01:13:39 UTC
Reilly Duvolle wrote:
I'm puzzled. You see, Dotlan counts abundance levels, which have never been used in game. you have to manually count moons.

Ahh, I see what the problem is, my dimwitted friend. You see, Dotlan is not counting abundance levels: instead, they are counting the number of moons reporting that mineral in each system. So when it says "QPO-WI: 3", it does not mean one moon has an abundance level of three: it means that there are three different moons in that system with technetium! Feel free to verify this to your heart's content.

I hope you have appreciated my taking the time to educate you in the very fundamental basics of the subject you have been opining on at length and will remember to avoid such foolish errors in the future.

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.

Reilly Duvolle
Hydra Squadron
#284 - 2012-02-22 01:16:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Reilly Duvolle
Okay, thank you for illuminating me on this issue.

I took the liberty of rerunning the numbers.

Fade, Branch, Pure blind and Deklein - the area under CFC control - is listed with 76 moons.

That leaves 155 tech moons in the regions not under CFC control

Admittedly different numbers, but it does not change the conclusion now, does it?
Johnny Marzetti
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#285 - 2012-02-22 01:18:01 UTC
Reilly Duvolle wrote:
reserved


aahahahahahahahahahahahaha
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#286 - 2012-02-22 01:22:56 UTC
This thread delivers good information.

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Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#287 - 2012-02-22 01:26:39 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Educating pubbies ITT?

I imagine it's hard to scan them, what with bees camping all the gates, so I sympathize with the people who uploaded that data.


Gate camps are hardly an obstacle to large-scale moon scanning. The main obstacle is time. That time investment is why accurate moon data is not divulged freely.

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Karadion
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#288 - 2012-02-22 01:26:44 UTC
Reilly Duvolle wrote:
reserved because I'm bad at this game

There.
Reilly Duvolle
Hydra Squadron
#289 - 2012-02-22 01:28:07 UTC
Karadion wrote:
Reilly Duvolle wrote:
reserved because I'm bad at this game

There.


different numbers. same conclusion
Johnny Marzetti
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#290 - 2012-02-22 01:28:41 UTC
reserved
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#291 - 2012-02-22 01:31:04 UTC
Andski wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Educating pubbies ITT?

I imagine it's hard to scan them, what with bees camping all the gates, so I sympathize with the people who uploaded that data.


Gate camps are hardly an obstacle to large-scale moon scanning. The main obstacle is time. That time investment is why accurate moon data is not divulged freely.

I was tr- oh I see.

It's funny because we don't actually camp everything.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?

Reilly Duvolle
Hydra Squadron
#292 - 2012-02-22 01:32:22 UTC
Johnny Marzetti wrote:
reserved

aahahahahahahahahahahahaha
Johnny Marzetti
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#293 - 2012-02-22 01:33:37 UTC
reserved
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#294 - 2012-02-22 01:33:47 UTC
Reilly Duvolle wrote:
Okay, thank you for illuminating me on this issue.

I took the liberty of rerunning the numbers.

Fade, Branch, Pure blind and Deklein - the area under CFC control - is listed with 76 moons.

That leaves 155 tech moons in the regions not under CFC control

Admittedly different numbers, but it does not change the conclusion now, does it?


oh hey, I'm glad we got the complete inaccuracy of Dotlan's moon data out of the way

oh wait, you're still trying to prove your point with it, lmao

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"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar

Reilly Duvolle
Hydra Squadron
#295 - 2012-02-22 01:36:08 UTC
The CFC situation seems to be even worse than I previously stated, at 2:1 in your disfavor. Even counting for inaccuracies i think it is safe to say that your claim of wanting to nerf tech for the good of the game and not for the good of the Goon is doubtful indeed.

not that I am surprised. I've said this all along.
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#296 - 2012-02-22 01:37:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Weaselior
Reilly Duvolle wrote:
Okay, that you for illuminating me on this issue.

I took the liberty of rerunning the numbers.

Fade, Branch, Pure blind and Deklein - the area under CFC control - is listed with 76 moons.

That leaves 155 tech moons in the regions not under CFC control

Admittedly different numbers, but it does not change the conclusion now, does it?

It does, my friend. You see, you can verify from looking at the page on Branch, that dotlan has little data on Branch: http://evemaps.dotlan.net/region/Branch/moons

Only a handful (maybe 5 or so) systems of the 94 in Branch have been scanned. Therefore, we must throw out the Branch data and infer what it is likely to be: here, I have offered the low number of 30 as a reasonable guess (surely extremely reasonable as it lists 5 tech moons with so little data). Fade is better scanned, but you will find it only appears half scanned at best.

So we must therefore infer what the numbers are likely to be from the numbers we have.

You are also making an unsupported assumption: moons outside of demonstrable CFC control are outside CFC hands. I will not comment on this issue, of course: knowing who owns moons in non-sov space is valuble intel I will not disclose willy-nilly. But it is, of course, a completely unsupportable conclusion with the information you have that they are universally outside of CFC control. This is the sort of elementry error that makes the lack of intellectual rigor in your analysis clear, and the utter lack of faith anyone can place in it lacking a severe ideological and cognitive bias as you seek to make true opinions that were clearly based on bad information.

Likewise I will not be providing you with non-public information I have gathered concerning other regions with technetium that have not made it to Dotlan, which is also highly relevant and would support your argument were I to do so if most non-CFC regions still are not on dotlan as I recall. But we can also assume that "not CFC" is not a monolithic bloc: the CFC need not own 51% of all tech moons in game to be absurdly benefited from their continued imbalance. You are free to make your own projections if you like of course, from this point: but I hope this exercise has taught you the problem with blindly asserting opinions based on facts that you have not researched - and the integrity of your analysis will of course be rather low if the analysis remains exactly the same after a wholesale revision of the underlying facts.

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#297 - 2012-02-22 01:45:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Alavaria Fera
Weaselior wrote:
But we can also assume that "not CFC" is not a monolithic bloc: the CFC need not own 51% of all tech moons in game to be absurdly benefited from their continued imbalance.

Tsk, BoB 5.0 better improve on this.
Weaselior wrote:
but I hope this exercise has taught you the problem with blindly asserting opinions based on facts that you have not researched - and the integrity of your analysis will of course be rather low if the analysis remains exactly the same after a wholesale revision of the underlying facts.

On the EVE-O forums?

Hm, with probability e, where 1>>>e>0


I do suspect though, this may be an attempt to get someone to rage and spill tons of secrets that would get them :commissar:ed. Keep fighting the good fight!

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?

Reilly Duvolle
Hydra Squadron
#298 - 2012-02-22 01:49:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Reilly Duvolle
Weaselior wrote:
Superior bullshit.


Take a look at Tenal. Does it look mapped to you?

What about Geminate?

yep. same problem.

So even if you are right about Branch, it all evens out.

All the evidence presented so far squarly suggest that the CFC faces a sever imbalance in tech income. There has not been presented a single shred of evidence supporting a contray position
Johnny Marzetti
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#299 - 2012-02-22 01:53:06 UTC
Reilly Duvolle wrote:
Weaselior wrote:
Dropping science.


Take a look at Tenal. Does it look mapped to you?

What about Geminate?

yep. same problem.

So even if you are right about Branch, it all evens out


Oh my god that is such a dumb thing to say I don't even know where to begin.
Reilly Duvolle
Hydra Squadron
#300 - 2012-02-22 01:53:33 UTC
Johnny Marzetti wrote:

Oh my god that is such a dumb thing to say I don't even know where to begin.


nobodys forcing you