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Fronkfurter McSheebleton

Horse Feathers

CAStabouts

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#1 - 2012-02-20 18:55:42 UTC | Edited by: Fronkfurter McSheebleton

Was comparing different battleships, and happened to notice that the vindicator has the absolute worst targeting range of any conventional battleship, except for the Panther black ops. Its default range is 22.5km under the standard megathron hull, and a whopping 37km under the Kronos.

Is there any good reason for a pirate battleship with the fitting room and bonuses for 425mm railguns to require three sensor boosters to make full use of Spike? (that puts it at just under 205km lock range, or 178km with two sebos and a sig amp)

I understand CCP gimping gallente targeting range to try and force people into using blasters (please stop that, thanks), but why do it to the vindi? And why to this extent?

thhief ghabmoef

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Tenga Halaris Galactic Traders Union Likes received: 27	#2 - 2012-02-20 19:02:54 UTC If you want to snipe, use a Naga where you get 450 DPS at 230 km without any Fleetbooster. On the other hand, fit Blasters and use Null L while using a MWD on that Vindi.

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Liam Mirren Likes received: 631	#3 - 2012-02-20 19:02:59 UTC 6 If you want to fit a Vindi like 200km sniper you need to have your EVE license removed. Excellence is not a skill, it's an attitude.


Fronkfurter McSheebleton Horse Feathers CAStabouts Likes received: 276	#4 - 2012-02-20 19:04:33 UTC \| Edited by: Fronkfurter McSheebleton Missing the point. It can shoot past its lock range using Javelin, ffs. thhief ghabmoef


Tenga Halaris Galactic Traders Union Likes received: 27	#5 - 2012-02-20 19:11:31 UTC 1 Well, nicely observed Mister. Not every Gun or Ammo you can fit on a Ship, works with its Bonuses or well at all.


Fronkfurter McSheebleton Horse Feathers CAStabouts Likes received: 276	#6 - 2012-02-20 19:18:14 UTC \| Edited by: Fronkfurter McSheebleton True, but none of the other ones are gimped to this extent. thhief ghabmoef

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Belthazor4011 Battle BV Redux Likes received: 301	#7 - 2012-02-20 19:23:22 UTC 1 He who wants to use a Vindi for sniping is equal to the man that wants to give a heavy weight fighter a blow gun so he can hit people in the back row with wet paper balls instead of knocking out the man right in front of him. You sir are looking for a theoretical downside to one of the best boats in the game...


Fronkfurter McSheebleton Horse Feathers CAStabouts Likes received: 276	#8 - 2012-02-20 19:28:42 UTC Never said I wanted to snipe with it, that was simply an example. However, its usefulness in large fleets is quite limited because of this. thhief ghabmoef

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Katalci Kismesis Likes received: 144	#9 - 2012-02-20 19:36:42 UTC Maybe you could use a Megathron in those fleets, then? Not every boat has to do everything well just because it costs a billion ISK.

The Scope Gallente Federation 410
Hrett The Scope Gallente Federation Likes received: 410	#10 - 2012-02-20 19:40:37 UTC They had to sacrifice the sensors to squeeze in a little extra pwnage. It's a fair trade. spaceship, Spaceship, SPACESHIP!

Fronkfurter McSheebleton

Horse Feathers

CAStabouts

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#11 - 2012-02-20 19:43:01 UTC | Edited by: Fronkfurter McSheebleton

The vindi is geared for gate/station brawls and whatnot, I get that. CCP wants you to use blasters on it and fly in small-ish fleets. The machariel is geared much the same way, but it can at least function in large fleet warfare.

And this isn't even taking PVE into account, which I daresay is what most Vindis spend their time doing. Blasters are nearly useless, and it's not terribly uncommon for a PVE room to require one to target out to 70-80km.

thhief ghabmoef

Daneel Trevize

Give my 11percent back

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#12 - 2012-02-20 19:52:03 UTC | Edited by: Daneel Trevize

Rails Vindi is fine, just forget Spike, it'll never be a long-ranged boat. But using AM/Javalin it's still very good.
Mach/Angels still need nerfing a bit to make the choice involve more tradeoffs, as they still get selectable damage and 0 cap use guns.

And for your theoretical fleet fight setup, are you remembering to factor in FC skills & links?

Distinguished Gentleman's Boating Club Domain Research and Mining Inst. 298
Griznatch Distinguished Gentleman's Boating Club Domain Research and Mining Inst. Likes received: 298	#13 - 2012-02-20 19:54:53 UTC The vindi is a blaster boat. If you wanna snipe dont spend a billion isk on a hull with a web speed factor bonus.. Also lol sniping with anything but artillery. I used to have a clever sig but I lost it.

Zhilia Mann

Tide Way Out Productions

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#14 - 2012-02-20 19:55:22 UTC

Fronkfurter McSheebleton wrote:

And this isn't even taking PVE into account, which I daresay is what most Vindis spend their time doing. Blasters are nearly useless, and it's not terribly uncommon for a PVE room to require one to target out to 70-80km.

Confirming that an L4 Vindi more or less has to fit at least one Ionic Field Projector, which is just yuck. But that's not really what it's for either.

Batelle

Federal Navy Academy

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#15 - 2012-02-20 19:56:15 UTC

I suppose this is an issue with people that mission in a vindi, especially against serpentis.

50km is terrible but i'm quite sure it won't have an affect on how i fly mine.

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And this isn't even taking PVE into account, which I daresay is what most Vindis spend their time doing.

quite an assertion, I don't think its a very popular mission running ship and incursion vindis are almost always blaster fit.

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Fronkfurter McSheebleton Horse Feathers CAStabouts Likes received: 276	#16 - 2012-02-20 20:09:01 UTC Sit in front of the main station in dodixie for a while, you see quite a few of them come and go. : / Or any L4 station in gallente space, really. thhief ghabmoef

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Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops Likes received: 27,526	#17 - 2012-02-20 20:52:46 UTC Classic case of bigger not being better. So what's the actual problem here?

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FlinchingNinja Kishunuba Crunchy Crunchy Likes received: 251	#18 - 2012-02-20 21:29:48 UTC Awwww.... I was gonna fit cruise missiles on it :(

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Stetson Eagle Paird Technology Likes received: 59	#19 - 2012-02-20 21:38:48 UTC I would say working as intended as far as PVP is concerned. For PVE, it really does not make sense for the anti-serpentis mobile to have such dire issues with sensor damps.

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Morrigu Storm D'tael Contracts Likes received: 4	#20 - 2012-02-20 22:04:40 UTC It's a Blaster ship 99% of the time so I guess it doesn't need a huge locking range. If you want a ship with a weird locking range considering it's role take a look at the Claw. A lock range of nearly 3 km under the range of a T2 disruptor!