EVE General Discussion

It would be much easier if CCP modify game mechanics:
1. Aggression causes a drop in standing to sov holding faction in Empire as it does to currently does to Concord.
2. Players who agress in Empire are flagged for 24 hours to the sov holding factions militia
3. Being an empire policeman is suddenly a fun occupation.

Yes I do know that. I also I know it is pretty easy to cruise around as a -10 with little fear of any fleets of substance coming after you.

Edit: the faction option would mean that people who enter empire with a sec status of 5.0 expecting to run a bunch of ganks before things got tight - could be hunted after their first.

I like this to some degree. More risk to people who commit crimes in Empire but not from NPC's. Player opposition is always a god thing.

That is true. How can I have a rational discussion of any effect with some one so profound. Not only am I in high sec I have not logged in for over 3 months - well this alt has not logged in for over 3 months.

It won't work simply because high sec mining is not lucrative enough to do as a fleet. Null sec mining isn't even lucrative enough to do as a fleet for that matter. No system in EVE besides mission hubs and tech moon systems have PvE/ mining resources to support more than 4 to 6 players. It's part of the EVE trap. Do the things you shouldn't do and someone will make it thier duty to punish you.

EVE needs to be 'fixed' by CCP. Players can't police the game.

Well, CCP have been on about revamping the bounty system for a while now, to coincide with smuggling changes and stuff.

Hopefully, fingers crossed, it will be this year that something gets implemented.

Yes your own "couple of points" on the market is best demonstrated as hype by looking at mining ship prices, orcas and freighters and see how recent prices have changed accordingly due to the potential advent of Hulkageddon. It is having a significant impact on capabilities. If you think swings like this and losses dont effect the economy and should be simply ignored well more the idiot. As as much as industrialists will be capatalising on this the increases in demand will shift production in this area reducing it to others.

If the undervalued industrialist continues to be used as a pinata or neglected then the encouragement for them to do other things will simply increase demand due to their own non-industrial activities and obviously reduce supply of various goods.

Crucible modifications favoured the ganker, with cheaper alpha stike BCs rather than BS and improvements to dessies, making the loss ratio's more in favour for the ganker. So not only is the "hit" on the industrialist more as it takes effectively less assests to destory the same now, the equaivalant purchase on the market has reduced with cheaper or more effective ganking ships, lowering potential incomes as a result from that source. So it is a double blow to the industrialist.

Large losses through hauling take significantly more time to recover from from the industrialist base then the opportunist ganker, who profits from the exercise. But this also takes supply from the market with destroyed assests. Thus any increases in PvP will make supply issues potential worse whilst increasing demand.

Then there is the scope in current development from CSM details to make null sec T2 production more favourable, and emphaises use in null, thus making an inequality in what should be a free market. Thus making less profit opportunities for industrialists elsewhere with T2. And who is calling for these, the very same people who have a war stratergy on the high sec industry base with their "Farms and fields" initiative and a view to making themselves completley independant from the High sec market.

Or the call in the recent CSM minutes for WH space to have the opportunites for cap ships to enter to aifd in the removal of production bases therein. Likley having an impact to prodution for T3 and other regular production as a result.

Or the interdictions on ice effecting POS use.

PI tax changes has also reduced profit opportunites in High sec for industrialists, whilst potentially affording another income in low and null with custom office control. This makes any PI industry less competative aswell.

If you think all of these issues don't have an effect on supply and pricing well you are in denial.

But please continue with the propoganda that other areas of the game are most effecting the economy, watch prices continue to slowly get out of control due to neglect and a continual enthused position to gank soft industrial targets.

Industrialists willing to stick it out will adapt to the most profiteering opportunites as a result, but then you can't really blame them for price hiking either if its to feed demand or replace losses either. But it will effect supply and prices, either as a result of refocussing on what is made and sold or loss of activity due to ganking activities or if people refocus on other things otehr than industry.

Best thing you can do is wake up to the war stratergy being fed to you from certain null sec alliances and realise that there is a good reason why they want you to "**** in your own back yard". Also if you think Goons don't mine well your even more niave and lost to the hype.

So ignore it if you like, but don't feed the crap hype to us and expect us to swallow it.

Don't the HS gankers usually sit in NPC corps?
Because if they don't now, if this got actually happened, that's what they'd do thus avoiding the war decs.

"PvP is nonconsensual? what is this nonsense, this is eve online"