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Poll: Getting rid of "Warp to Zero"

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Vincent Athena
Photosynth
#81 - 2012-02-20 16:41:30 UTC
I chose: keep warp to zero.

However if we got rid of it there is an easy way to fix one issue: travel time. Make all ships, and especially big ships, get to warp faster and have a higher warp speed. Now you spend more time slow boating, but less time warping, and in the end it would be (with proper adjustments) about the same.

But I still think it would make travel through low sec such a pain that it would become even more of a wasteland than it is now.

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MadMuppet
Critical Mass Inc
#82 - 2012-02-20 16:48:09 UTC
St Mio wrote:
Felin Holtz wrote:
The original warp to distance was 15km. People used to make bookmarks for getting around.

I think the main reason for CCP removing the system was so that 10s of thousands of bookmarks were removed from game helping the server load? Can't quire remember it was so long ago...

Yep, to reduce server load. However, bookmarks wouldn't help with OP's suggestion as there would be a sphere around stargates impenetrable to warp drives, you'd drop out of warp at 15km and have to slowboat to get in range.


But the problem would return as the need to approach the gate from other angles to avoid traps from direct in-line jumps. In addition, if it is a 'warp interdiction bubble' you might need bookmarks to get around the bubble when you come through a gate in case you spawn on the wrong side of it and don't want to slow-boat up to 30km before you can jump away from the gate.

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Professor Alphane
Les Corsaires Diable
#83 - 2012-02-20 16:56:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Professor Alphane
Gonna start ranking troll threads on pages, cos it's somehow fairer and it raises the bar for the trolls amongst you.

So for the classic 'Bitter Pirate' thread OP I'm giving you a 5 star Troll, well done I'm sure your mother would be proud Twisted

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bgummer
Malicious Destruction
#84 - 2012-02-20 17:07:57 UTC
been there, done that and burned the t-shirt. this change would also make some hardware for the most part useless, HIC's and bubbles etc.

and in the end the player base would find some way around it, they always do. the last time it was bookmarks, so many bookmarks it had a detrimental effect on the entire game. people creating that many bookmarks to get around a game feature should be evident enough that the 15k approach was not favored by the majority of eve players.

and at the time there was a much larger percentage of the population with insta BM's then we had revolt over incarna. and we all the saw what that unrest inspired ccp to do. so i would think taking away warp to 0 would cause jita to get so full of players shooting that statue that it would explode taking all of eve with it
Skippermonkey
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#85 - 2012-02-20 17:08:43 UTC
posting in a disguised 'get-likes' thread

COME AT ME BRO

I'LL JUST BE DOCKED IN THIS STATION
Zangorus
Live Adult Entertainment
Federal Krab Office
#86 - 2012-02-20 17:16:38 UTC
Interesting idea, not sure if i hate or love.

Like my comment and recieve 1 million isk ingame!
Therese Ishihara
Council of Exiles
Brave Collective
#87 - 2012-02-20 17:17:26 UTC
What a horrible idea, would anyone fly freighters if they had to deal with slow aligning, slow warping and then a significant delay once you land to reach a gate or station?
Burning Furry
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#88 - 2012-02-20 17:45:21 UTC
******** idea really.

Making high sec war decs easier is the wrong way to go.
Faction warfare/low-sec/0.0 are all better than this.

As said on the forums a million times, stop trying to turn my game into your game.

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Belshazzar Babylon
Doomheim
#89 - 2012-04-22 13:22:06 UTC
OP I think you have the answers and Likes you were looking for.

Somebody please lock this riculous thread.
Tobiaz
Spacerats
#90 - 2012-04-22 13:35:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Tobiaz
With the current mechanics in EVE I think the Wt0 should stay.

The problems 'galaxy village', the 'one-player-Wall-Marts' in Jita' and no targets in low-sec are the result of other more fundamental problems that need their own solutions. Removing Wt0 is not going to help much in that at all. The older players that have witnessed the changes over the years will probably all confirm it.

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Ank Parkor
WildSpace Otters
#91 - 2012-04-22 14:37:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Ank Parkor
Guys who like warp to zero:
- Industrialists
- PVers generally
- Traders, and anyone who doesn't really want to fly an Abaddon each time he has a 200M+ cargo to haul

Guys who dislike:
- Suicide gankers
- Griefers
- People that claims to without understanding the purpose but just wants to appear cool
- Hey, I am such a bad boy my tornado just alpha'ed this Iteron! LOL 1!1!1!1! This two months old guy now fears my high pvp skills!


Seriously it is the same debate again and again.
Grow some balls and go living in null if you like pvp. Suicide ganking miners or haulers don't make a man of you pussy.

I quitted wow community and it's the same here. Kids claiming there are specials and rebels until their mother call them for the dinner.

Please please please CCP allow players with 5.0 SS to engage first players with negative SS without retalation of Concord or standing loss.
Allow justicars to exist.
We could clean the whole universe and no kids would be spamming my local anymore.

Post Scriptum:
SS 4.5+ : can attack any players with negative SS without concord retaliation or standing loss. All others rule apply.
SS 3+ : can attack players with a bounty on their head.

PVP everywhere and for everyone.
Too bad all the badass pirates roaming in hi-sec won't agree to be targeted by anything but a miner.

Then OK to remove warp to zero.

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Maxpie
MUSE LLP
#92 - 2012-04-22 14:49:53 UTC
Ank Parkor wrote:
]Please please please CCP allow players with 5.0 SS to engage first players with negative SS without retalation of Concord or standing loss.


This is an interesting idea

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Enuen Ravenseye
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#93 - 2012-04-22 14:53:45 UTC
Just say "No".

Gate camps should be eliminated, not encouraged. Gates are one of the worst mechanics in the game.

Eliminate gates and allow pilots to jump to any celestial in the target system. At the same time, also eliminate local.

That's how you properly spice up the game mechanics.
Serene Repose
#94 - 2012-04-22 14:54:48 UTC
BWAA HAAA HAAAAA!!!!! Man. Gate camping must be a real hoot these days. There they sit in that empty system, waiting....waiting....waiting...."Hey! Where's all the auto-piloters?? This ain't right! What if....what if all these people were FORCED to stop 15k from the gate??? THEN we'd have a victim...or two...or three....!! I KNOW!! I'll do a POLL. Since the MAJORITY of EVE players gate camp, we'll easily PROVE it's CHEATING to warp to ZERO!!!"

type...type...type...think...think...think....type...type....think....type....

BWAAAA HAAAA HAAAAA!!!! Why aren't you writin' for sitcoms???

We must accommodate the idiocracy.
Caellach Marellus
Stormcrows
#95 - 2012-04-22 14:56:21 UTC
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Whitehound
#96 - 2012-04-22 14:56:26 UTC
Ank Parkor wrote:
...
Please please please CCP allow players with 5.0 SS to engage first players with negative SS without retalation of Concord or standing loss.
Allow justicars to exist.
We could clean the whole universe and no kids would be spamming my local anymore.

Post Scriptum:
SS 4.5+ : can attack any players with negative SS without concord retaliation or standing loss. All others rule apply.
SS 3+ : can attack players with a bounty on their head.

PVP everywhere and for everyone.
Too bad all the badass pirates roaming in hi-sec won't agree to be targeted by anything but a miner.

Then OK to remove warp to zero.

This thread just got pretty.

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Nick Bison
Bison Industrial Inc
Cat Scratch Fevers
#97 - 2012-04-22 14:58:14 UTC
1. No Support

2. Posting in yet anther "I want easier ganks" thread.

Nothing clever at this time.
Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#98 - 2012-04-22 15:04:04 UTC
This is a spacelikes thread in disguise, isn't it?

Absolutely shameless
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#99 - 2012-04-22 15:16:06 UTC
warp to 15 was ******* horrible.
Herping yourDerp
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#100 - 2012-04-22 15:16:38 UTC
YuuKnow wrote:

1. Gate-camping would be even more effective. <- thats a bad thing
2. Easier to patrol your claimed territor because you can catch intruders more easily <- meh
3. Hi-sec War declarations would be more fun and effective because you have more opprotunity to 'catch' your enemies<- that is a bad thing
4. Hi-sec suicide ganking would be more common<- that is a bad thing
5. It would multiple the advantage of smaller faster ships as more useful than larger ships.<- i guess that is good but it would simply mean there would be 1-2 interceptors in every camp to simple web the hell out of anyone till someone else could lock and kill it
6. Other.

Post alternative, reasoning below.


warp to 0 was implemented because everyone made bookmarks on gates... to save database space from he 2000 bookmarks on gates they added warp to 0
hopefully its here to stay It would only hurt the game to remove it