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ME - PE question how can i get both high
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Daltzi
Midwest Commodity Financial Exchange Services
#1 - 2012-02-19 03:55:52 UTC
what skills are best suited to get the ME - PE to as high as possible,

Also which skills can i train so i can get the PERFECT component quantity?
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
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#2 - 2012-02-19 04:21:35 UTC
Metallurgy makes ME faster to research
Research makes PE faster to research.

Make sure you train Production Efficiency to 4. And 5 if you're going to be a serious manufacturer.


And there is no 'high as possible'. They're open ended.
What you want is 'as high as makes economic sense'. Researching to 1 halves waste. then to 3 to halve it again. Then to 7. Then to 15. And so on.

Either un the numbers yourself, or use a calculator (like the one in my sig), to handle the numbers.

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Riley Moore
Sentinum Research
#3 - 2012-02-19 08:04:40 UTC
Could always save the time and effort and just buy an already researched bpo from bpo sellers (like me; see sig) Cool

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Lost Hamster
Hamster Holding Corp
#4 - 2012-02-19 09:34:15 UTC
Daltzi wrote:

Also which skills can i train so i can get the PERFECT component quantity?

Perfect bpo - that really depends on the type of the BPO. Some BPO - like rigs are perfect in the range of ME1 - ME5
Generally speaking you can see if a BPO is perfect if you look at the mineral amount what is required, then you look for the biggest number and divide it by 20.
That number will give you the ME level, where is no more waste.

However it is not worth to do such a research on most of the BPO's.
A fake example:
XXX BPO ME20:
required material: 757 trit, and 165 pyerite
The same BPO on ME 40:
required material: 752 trit, and 162 pyerite

The difference between the two is 5 trit, and 3 pyerite: worth around: 40ISK.
The cost to do the research is a couple mill an ISK. So it's not worth it.

Generally I would say that most of the BPO's are good on a ME level between: 20-40.
Scrapyard Bob
EVE University
Ivy League
#5 - 2012-02-19 13:33:53 UTC
The divide by N rules depend on what waste level the BPO is categorized as. Some are 5% waste, some are 10%, some are 20%. It also depends on where you got the "raw" material value number. In-game, you typically divide by 5.5 for a 10% waste BPO, but when looking through the database you'd only divide by 5 to get the perfect ME. (And I may have that backwards - just use one of the tried and true calculators.)

But for most 10% waste BPOs, a ME of something between 20-40 is a good ballpark to aim for. For BPOs which take longer to research (more then a few days), most folks typically use a 2 or 4 week rule. Which means they'll research the BPO to whatever ME level can be done within 2 or 4 weeks.

PE level is almost always 8 or 10 (I take some to 15).

You'll find that once you own a POS tower, you'll sometime just toss BPOs in for more research time while you wait for other things to happen, or you'll start researching things to nice round numbers like ME 50 so that all your BPOs match.
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#6 - 2012-02-19 16:12:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Krixtal Icefluxor
Steve Ronuken wrote:

And there is no 'high as possible'. They're open ended.


Absolutely not true.

There is a highest ME Limit for all BPO's at which they cannot be researched any further. http://zofu.no-ip.de/bpo

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Steve Ronuken
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#7 - 2012-02-19 20:00:32 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Steve Ronuken wrote:

And there is no 'high as possible'. They're open ended.


Absolutely not true.

There is a highest ME Limit for all BPO's at which they cannot be researched any further. http://zofu.no-ip.de/bpo



Well, you'll run into a database field size limit, sure.

And it is possible to research some until there is no waste.

But other ones will take longer than the game has been running so far, to get to the point there is no waste.

A Tornado, for example, has a 'perfect' ME of 789006

Which would take, with perfect skills, and a POS, 1,849,232 days Or about 5 Millennia.

If you're meaning, by linking the zofu calculator, that the highest number in the ME table is as high as you can research it, you're sadly mistaken. It's possible to research it past that point (and people do. Go look at the Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Blueprint on the calculator, then go look in contracts. Pointless, but they do.) All it's doing is giving a suggestion.

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