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KORVIN FOR CSM7 - the reasonable choice.
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Scatim Helicon
State War Academy
Caldari State
#141 - 2012-03-05 21:59:38 UTC
Snowflake Tem wrote:
Scatim Helicon wrote:
What Roleplayers and Factional Warfare participants need from CCP is not special snowflake treatment, but the same things every other Eve player needs - interesting, rewarding game mechanics (particularly for lowsec, but also for whatever other areas of the game they occupy) which make them enthusiastic to log in and blow each other up. The Butterfly Effect should be encouraged whenever possible, because what makes Eve special is when non-scripted events take on a momentum of their own and spiral away in ways that nobody could have predicted.



kk, I'll bite. If by "special snowflake treatment" you mean preferential nurturing I agree with you completely.
My argument always has been that the butterfly effect washes up on the shores of highsec but does not impact significantly upon it. When it does, we're stuck with it in perpetuity. CCP lead rp events suck because the RP dept is under-resourced and lack the tools to develop and iterate story-lines continually in response to player involvement.

If Eve is in good shape, then any 'RP department' is pretty much redundant since the players are busily creating their own narratives and reasons to log in and do things without needing a big brother CCP employee to herd them around. Frankly we as players are always going to be better at generating content than a handful of devs since there's more of us working on it.

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I also believe that CSM6, 7 & 8 will not in any way influence CCP to improve the situation because The Mittani's priorities are different. Even if a RP candidate got in they would be sidelined while 'other stuff' got sorted out.

Nobody in CSM6, and in all likelihood nobody in CSM7 either, is going to jump up and down and demand CCP pour large amounts of resources into creating scripted roleplaying events. But instead, they might well support reworking Empire in general, and FacWar in particular, to have content which makes people want to log in and generate their own content. If you want roleplaying in Eve to grow and thrive, you do so by creating an environment where the next CVA or Ushra'Khan can form and develop identities of their own, not by having GMs leading groups of players around on scripted roleplay safaris.

Every time you post a WiS thread, Hilmar strangles a kitten.
Snowflake Tem
The Order of Symbolic Measures
#142 - 2012-03-05 22:29:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Snowflake Tem
Scatim Helicon wrote:
Snowflake Tem wrote:


also believe that CSM6, 7 & 8 will not in any way influence CCP to improve the situation because The Mittani's priorities are different. Even if a RP candidate got in they would be sidelined while 'other stuff' got sorted out.

Nobody in CSM6, and in all likelihood nobody in CSM7 either, is going to jump up and down and demand CCP pour large amounts of resources into creating scripted roleplaying events. But instead, they might well support reworking Empire in general, and FacWar in particular, to have content which makes people want to log in and generate their own content. If you want roleplaying in Eve to grow and thrive, you do so by creating an environment where the next CVA or Ushra'Khan can form and develop identities of their own, not by having GMs leading groups of players around on scripted roleplay safaris.


I really can't fault your argument.
I just don't think you and The Mittani realise how intimidating your power block is to people who want to be identified with the NPC empires.
Snowflake Tem
The Order of Symbolic Measures
#143 - 2012-03-05 23:29:39 UTC
Besides, I'm not ready to cross swords with the Goons. Give me a few years to take the markets from Jita and place it firmly amongst the free worlds of he Federation. Then we can talk about the real cost of the Goon war machine.
Scatim Helicon
State War Academy
Caldari State
#144 - 2012-03-06 20:14:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Scatim Helicon
Snowflake Tem wrote:
Scatim Helicon wrote:
Snowflake Tem wrote:


also believe that CSM6, 7 & 8 will not in any way influence CCP to improve the situation because The Mittani's priorities are different. Even if a RP candidate got in they would be sidelined while 'other stuff' got sorted out.

Nobody in CSM6, and in all likelihood nobody in CSM7 either, is going to jump up and down and demand CCP pour large amounts of resources into creating scripted roleplaying events. But instead, they might well support reworking Empire in general, and FacWar in particular, to have content which makes people want to log in and generate their own content. If you want roleplaying in Eve to grow and thrive, you do so by creating an environment where the next CVA or Ushra'Khan can form and develop identities of their own, not by having GMs leading groups of players around on scripted roleplay safaris.


I really can't fault your argument.
I just don't think you and The Mittani realise how intimidating your power block is to people who want to be identified with the NPC empires.


Here's the thing, which you can either believe or not: what pretty much every Goonswarm member wants, including Mittens, is a healthy game environment with lots of people logging in and doing lots of different things in the sandbox, whether that be 0.0, empire, wormholes, or whatever. That creates content and interest in the game and opportunities for us to go and do fun things (yes, sometimes at the expense of those other people). I'm extremely interested in what Inferno might bring in terms of highsec and lowsec content, not because I spend all that much time in empire, but because of the ripple effects that will spread across the lake into 0.0 and everywhere else as a result.

Virtually none of us have an interest in being roleplayers, but at the same time I'm pretty sure we don't actually gain anything from having all the Eve roleplayers getting frustrated at CCP neglecting them or inflicting bad ideas on them until they unsubscribe and play something else instead. That's why I've jumped into this thread to talk about roleplaying, of all things - because even the people we have no direct interaction with (and who we occasionally make fun) of are part of the sandbox too, and trying to transform one part of it into some GM-led Roleplay Ghetto does no favours to anyone in Eve because it undermines the sandbox environment as a whole.

Every time you post a WiS thread, Hilmar strangles a kitten.
Korvin
Shadow Kingdom
Best Alliance
#145 - 2012-03-07 00:37:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Korvin
It has begun!

The 7th CSM elections are open!

Good luck!

Go, and VOTE! http://community.eveonline.com/council/voting/Vote.asp?c=440

Member of CSM 4&5 ... &8
Sentenel
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#146 - 2012-03-07 01:04:26 UTC
+1 for Korvin
cr Timon
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#147 - 2012-03-07 01:11:16 UTC
Мой голос за тебя Korvin.
Winternight Depression
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#148 - 2012-03-07 01:45:27 UTC
+1 Korvin

Good luck
Lucas Lemberg
CazyKo
PowerDucks Alliance
#149 - 2012-03-07 02:47:09 UTC
+ 1
VangDo
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#150 - 2012-03-07 03:33:29 UTC
+3
KVE Bek
Iris Covenant
The Gorgon Empire
#151 - 2012-03-07 03:57:50 UTC
+1 for Korvin
RMT BFF
Legion BFF
#152 - 2012-03-07 05:01:35 UTC  |  Edited by: RMT BFF
+3
Steelomen
RENERGY INC.
#153 - 2012-03-07 06:44:38 UTC
+2
ApXuBaTop
My Little Pony Industries Inc.
RED.OverLord
#154 - 2012-03-07 07:20:50 UTC
+3
Lottan
Doomheim
#155 - 2012-03-07 07:28:12 UTC
+1
Lexx Thai
NorthWest Russian Corp
Proxima Centauri Alliance
#156 - 2012-03-07 07:37:18 UTC
+1
Aunt Tom
Dark Voodoo Cult
#157 - 2012-03-07 07:43:49 UTC
+3

Shadow Kingdom - best kingdom :D
LapaM
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#158 - 2012-03-07 07:47:45 UTC
+2
RaferX
Farlo Inc
#159 - 2012-03-07 09:33:07 UTC
+1
Ugly Gorinich
Vovkulaki
UA. Space
#160 - 2012-03-07 09:38:41 UTC
Supported.
+2