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Micah Brooks
FlySafe.net
#1 - 2012-02-18 16:53:55 UTC
I only have limited knowledge of these but wasnt the drawback if you died in one you would lose subsystem skills? Is that still the case or did that change at some point?

thanks
mxzf
Shovel Bros
#2 - 2012-02-18 17:32:28 UTC
I haven't seen anything saying that they changed it. IIRC you lose one level in a random subsystem skill if that race (eg, Caldari subsystems if you die in a Tengu) if the ship pops while you're in it. No loss if you eject before it pops (though lots of risk of handing them a T3 to help pod you, lol). However, SS skills are only tier 1, so it's a max of 5-6d of training lost in the worst case, which isn't horrible.
Merc Drifter
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#3 - 2012-02-18 17:33:15 UTC
Its still the case,

if you die you lose 1 level on a random subsystem which is related to the ship you are flying

e.g. I died in a tengu and lost prop 4 which is now at level 3
Micah Brooks
FlySafe.net
#4 - 2012-02-18 17:36:27 UTC
Ok thanks because I thought previously in the ship description it would say this but I dont believe it does anymore unless im mistaken.
Tanya Powers
Doomheim
#5 - 2012-02-19 11:26:04 UTC
Micah Brooks wrote:
Ok thanks because I thought previously in the ship description it would say this but I dont believe it does anymore unless im mistaken.



You are mistaken, you still loose one lvl in random subsystem. There's no reason to change it and it's not a pain to do it anyway (4days)
Flaming Head
Doomheim
#6 - 2012-02-19 19:26:16 UTC
Tanya Powers wrote:
Micah Brooks wrote:
Ok thanks because I thought previously in the ship description it would say this but I dont believe it does anymore unless im mistaken.



You are mistaken, you still loose one lvl in random subsystem. There's no reason to change it and it's not a pain to do it anyway (4days)


I think he means unless he was mistaken about the description of the ships changing to not include the skill loss eventuality.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#7 - 2012-02-19 21:10:34 UTC
Micah Brooks wrote:
Ok thanks because I thought previously in the ship description it would say this but I dont believe it does anymore unless im mistaken.


IIRC you do get a pop-up warning when you board them.

But T3s are so survivable that it's a worthwhile risk. I'd advise training the subsustem skills to 5 anyway.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Mfume Apocal
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2012-02-19 22:06:24 UTC
Tanya Powers wrote:
You are mistaken, you still loose one lvl in random subsystem.


Unless you're Mfume, in which case you always lose Offensive on your Loki because that's the one that pisses you off the most.
Substantia Nigra
Polaris Rising
Goonswarm Federation
#9 - 2012-02-20 03:40:51 UTC
Mfume Apocal wrote:
Unless you're Mfume, in which case you always lose Offensive on your Loki because that's the one that pisses you off the most.


Ahhh, I'm glad someone pointed this fact out. The actual subsytem skill loss is not random at all. CCP has a maxi-PITA detector algorithm that observes your style of play and pulls lvl5 of the most painful one. Thankfully it's less than a week to recoup.

I guess I am almost a 'vet' by now. Hopefully not too bitter and managing to help more than I hinder. I build and sell many things, including large collections of bookmarks.
Hathrul
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#10 - 2012-02-20 12:34:32 UTC
Substantia Nigra wrote:
Mfume Apocal wrote:
Unless you're Mfume, in which case you always lose Offensive on your Loki because that's the one that pisses you off the most.


Ahhh, I'm glad someone pointed this fact out. The actual subsytem skill loss is not random at all. CCP has a maxi-PITA detector algorithm that observes your style of play and pulls lvl5 of the most painful one. Thankfully it's less than a week to recoup.


3 dead loki's later, i got propulsion sub level 1. and i never used a prop mod on the loki's

if there is an algorithm, it doesnt work :p
Wacktopia
Fleet-Up.com
Keep It Simple Software Group
#11 - 2012-02-20 12:37:13 UTC
Micah Brooks wrote:
I only have limited knowledge of these but wasnt the drawback if you died in one you would lose subsystem skills? Is that still the case or did that change at some point?

thanks



Yes. Some people just eject before they die to mitigate the sp loss.

Kitchen sink? Seriousy, get your ship together -  Fleet-Up.com
Dalts
Out of Focus
Odin's Call
#12 - 2012-02-20 19:13:13 UTC
Hathrul wrote:
Substantia Nigra wrote:
Mfume Apocal wrote:
Unless you're Mfume, in which case you always lose Offensive on your Loki because that's the one that pisses you off the most.


Ahhh, I'm glad someone pointed this fact out. The actual subsytem skill loss is not random at all. CCP has a maxi-PITA detector algorithm that observes your style of play and pulls lvl5 of the most painful one. Thankfully it's less than a week to recoup.


3 dead loki's later, i got propulsion sub level 1. and i never used a prop mod on the loki's

if there is an algorithm, it doesnt work :p


True, although I bolded the important bits, I think you'll find there is definitely some correlation there...
Mfume Apocal
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#13 - 2012-02-21 02:27:47 UTC
Dalts wrote:
True, although I bolded the important bits, I think you'll find there is definitely some correlation there...


link lokis usually have no prop mod
Unimaginative Pilot
Horngry
Quafe Liberation Front
#14 - 2012-02-23 01:25:42 UTC
Mfume Apocal wrote:
Dalts wrote:
True, although I bolded the important bits, I think you'll find there is definitely some correlation there...


link lokis usually have no prop mod


A link loki should be offgrid, hence not needing a prop mod
Tanya Powers
Doomheim
#15 - 2012-02-23 14:39:17 UTC
Mfume Apocal wrote:
Tanya Powers wrote:
You are mistaken, you still loose one lvl in random subsystem.


Unless you're Mfume, in which case you always lose Offensive on your Loki because that's the one that pisses you off the most.



Raah that sucks and pisses me off too because I always loose that one with Proteus...strangely with Tengu I lost very often the propulsion one but never the offensive one. Loki can't say it, didn't died in it yet and no you can't help me for that Lol
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2012-02-23 15:03:28 UTC
Tanya Powers wrote:
Mfume Apocal wrote:
Tanya Powers wrote:
You are mistaken, you still loose one lvl in random subsystem.


Unless you're Mfume, in which case you always lose Offensive on your Loki because that's the one that pisses you off the most.



Raah that sucks and pisses me off too because I always loose that one with Proteus...strangely with Tengu I lost very often the propulsion one but never the offensive one. Loki can't say it, didn't died in it yet and no you can't help me for that Lol



OMG you should totally tighten your skills. Otherwise it is lose.
Tarchus
#17 - 2012-02-23 16:39:20 UTC
As an offtopic note:
LET US chane the subsystem at a POS!!!
Grrrrrr! *grinds his teeth*