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Grey Stormshadow
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#21 - 2012-02-16 16:12:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Grey Stormshadow
Eyor wrote:
Grey Stormshadow wrote:
Eyor wrote:
why on earth would you freeze the overview anytime the mouse is over it? locking people's pod after their ship explodes or camping on a gate etc just became unnecessarily more difficult..

Why? New targets still keep appearing to end of the list even you're hoovering over the OV. It just doesn't get sorted before you move your cursor out. This should make it actually much easier to target the pod or guy who appears from cloak.


um.....................no. it makes it infinitely more difficult. before, if you sorted your overview by range and you blew up a ship that was closest to you, the pod would appear in the same spot (obviously because the pod would be at the same range as you)

but now, once the ship blows up, the ghosted bracket of the now deceased ship will stay there and the pod will whip itself at the very bottom of the overview. you could lock the overview from sorting by holding down the "ctrl" button before this patch. why change it to all the time?


Only bad thing is that some people (apparently quite many, but not myself included) tend to select target 1st and click their shortcut buttons after. Toggle key didn't work for them and now after OV refreshes faster... having no lock at all is kinda bad for them.

I tend to push my shortcut keys before selecting stuff from overview so this shouldn't be big problem, but still having only ctrl as OV-lock toggle key would give me hard time playing with my approach, warp to and similar buttons. I would be miss clicking pretty heavily if targets were sorting around with improved speed.

Dunno if there is any other good solutions available... perhaps slowed down update speed while mousing over + traditional lock would work too. Only certain thing is that having only the ctrl as toggle isn't quite enough any more.

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Ris Dnalor
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#22 - 2012-02-16 16:17:56 UTC
AGAIN,

CCP changes something, without making it optional. If people were doing fine with manually freezing overview with the control-key, wtf do they force those people to change?

Personally I'm o.k. with the changes so far ( haven't tested them in combat yet ), but why not let people toggle the **** off if they don't want it?

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dooplex
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#23 - 2012-02-16 16:18:28 UTC
Eyor wrote:
Grey Stormshadow wrote:
Eyor wrote:
why on earth would you freeze the overview anytime the mouse is over it? locking people's pod after their ship explodes or camping on a gate etc just became unnecessarily more difficult..

Why? New targets still keep appearing to end of the list even you're hoovering over the OV. It just doesn't get sorted before you move your cursor out. This should make it actually much easier to target the pod or guy who appears from cloak.


um.....................no. it makes it infinitely more difficult. before, if you sorted your overview by range and you blew up a ship that was closest to you, the pod would appear in the same spot (obviously because the pod would be at the same range as you)

but now, once the ship blows up, the ghosted bracket of the now deceased ship will stay there and the pod will whip itself at the very bottom of the overview. you could lock the overview from sorting by holding down the "ctrl" button before this patch. why change it to all the time?


I completely agree, the mousover lock is completely unnecessary and idiotic.
CTRL was a perfectly fine mechanic, why the need to change it?

Please revert this as soon as possible, thanks in advance.

Apart from that and the (Abc...) phenomenom, you did a good job.
Performance is noticeably improved.
Daneel Trevize
Give my 11percent back
#24 - 2012-02-16 16:21:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Daneel Trevize
Funkert wrote:
what the hell was wrong with the old system, when holding ctrl locked it?
that made sense. you only hold ctrl if you're gonna lock something and thats the only time you need the overview to stop moving.
Clearly you've never gone to right-click to broadcast and had a different element slip under your click, screwing the whole fleet up. Not everyone is locking the target they're trying to select.

That said, the freeze-on-mouseover is flawed with high priority new entries appearing typically far from previous ones.

Posting this suggestion here too:
Can we please have an option to have the overview populated from the bottom up. This is different to just changing your sort order, as it means you can resize the overview down and the entries will be anchored down with it, rather than simply growing space and forcing you to move up to the top of the screen for the higest priorty entries per sort order (typically distance), or to a dynamic, shifting absolute screen position for reversed sort, assuming your overview has sufficient space to fit them.

ATM reversed sort and having the rest of your useful UI at the bottom (default cap+modules, cargo, many people's selected item window and locked targets) means the only reason to head up to the top half of the screen is for the overview, and with reversed sort and enough entries your target entry might also need you to first scroll the bar too. All because there's no option to simply populate from the bottom up as opposed to top down.

Why have repositionable Selected window and locked targets icons without this key option?
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
#25 - 2012-02-16 16:24:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Crosi Wesdo
Locking overview just by having the mouse pointer over it is a bad idea.

Would be much better to return to us the control over locking the overview with a toggle button like the 'ctrl' used to be before you guys made it practically useless.

Thanks.


EDIT - to the guy above me, clearly you have never assigned a shortcut button or used the default (x) to broadcast target and is still using the right click menu for some reason.
Elanor Vega
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#26 - 2012-02-16 16:26:59 UTC
I like locking of overview on mouse-over.
Johanne D'Arc
Rhine and Courtesan
#27 - 2012-02-16 16:27:33 UTC
New yelllow/red box flashing is terrible, put it back so I can see whats going on at a glance.

Pute the old font back on the overview. I don't need the overview taking up even more space for the same info.

New freeze on mouseover is pretty lol but I will put that down to personal preference. I suppose I can get used to it, shame its not optional.

No minimise for chat invites.

Mininmising stuff to the sidebar rather than the bottom of the screen is still unintuitive and ultimately more clunky than it used to be.
Johanne D'Arc
Rhine and Courtesan
#28 - 2012-02-16 16:28:44 UTC
Basically you cocked up the UI when you updated all those keyboard shortcuts and ruined the ctrl key functionality and this freeze on mouseover is a poor fix.
Johanne D'Arc
Rhine and Courtesan
#29 - 2012-02-16 16:30:46 UTC
I'm willing to bet alt tab to another client still does a 'look at' on the highlighted object as well. I have to disable alts 'look at' function just to do something utterly commonplace without risking getting myself killed because im suddenly looking at something filling my screen.
Daneel Trevize
Give my 11percent back
#30 - 2012-02-16 16:32:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Daneel Trevize
Crosi Wesdo wrote:
EDIT - to the guy above me, clearly you have never assigned a shortcut button or used the default (x) to broadcast target and is still using the right click menu for some reason.
I'd need to find/set shortcuts for Broadcast Align To and Warp to, I'm not often broadcasting targets to be locked atm. Also right-clicking to then fleet-warp. Hard to mess up the options when there's text descriptions being clicked, and do/did X and other fleet shortcuts also freeze the overview?
Crucis Cassiopeiae
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#31 - 2012-02-16 16:34:51 UTC
I love this way of locking overview when mouse is over it. :)

(and its not only because i have left arm broken atm.)

just its so much more natural and faster for me.

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Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
#32 - 2012-02-16 16:36:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Crosi Wesdo
Daneel Trevize wrote:
Crosi Wesdo wrote:
EDIT - to the guy above me, clearly you have never assigned a shortcut button or used the default (x) to broadcast target and is still using the right click menu for some reason.
I'd need to find/set shortcuts for Broadcast Align To and Warp to, I'm not often broadcasting targets to be locked atm. Also right-clicking to then fleet-warp. Hard to mess up the options when there's text descriptions being clicked, and do/did X and other fleet shortcuts also freeze the overview?



Fleet warp from right click in space - no problem

Other shortcuts are not hiding from you, their settings are where they have always been.

Freezing the overview in this manner is a bane to pvp, specifically it reduces awareness of what and where things are happening on grid. A toggle is needed.

EDIT - im sure people like the poster above me without a single kill or death in pvp will not see the problem with this new system since rats arnt as nano, or as snipey, or as brawley, or as fast, or as tackley, or as jammy, or as dampy, or as reppy as players can be.
Johanne D'Arc
Rhine and Courtesan
#33 - 2012-02-16 16:39:09 UTC
Oh dear....

Frozen overviews populate in a seemingly random fashion which is nigh on useless.

Running multiple monitors freezes the overviews on other screens while working on a different one. Absolutely NOT helpful.

Is this some kind of ISK sink attempt? Seriously, you guys need to learn to test these things before patching.
Crucis Cassiopeiae
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#34 - 2012-02-16 16:44:03 UTC
Johanne D'Arc wrote:
Oh dear....

Frozen overviews populate in a seemingly random fashion which is nigh on useless.

Running multiple monitors freezes the overviews on other screens while working on a different one. Absolutely NOT helpful.

Is this some kind of ISK sink attempt? Seriously, you guys need to learn to test these things before patching.



All is tested on SiSi...
and as i am aware of... noone complained.


And its so funny what reasons for complaining eve players can find:
"brackets blink too slow now" is now the funniest. Lol

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Dez Affinity
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#35 - 2012-02-16 16:46:44 UTC
Such a bad change. All of the overview changes I see. Bad. Bad. Bad.

Firstly. All my columns are resized for no reason, not a huge deal but ****, I thought I was done with resizing **** after every patch. (Also the way you resize, by it affecting only the top bar so you're not sure how much to resize is silly, old way worked easier)

Secondly. It used to be that in the Type or Name columns it would say "Stargate (odeb" and then be cut off because thats as much as I need to know which stargate it is. Now it says "Stargate (o..." THANKS A LOT. Can we please turn elipses off? It's USELESS.

Thirdly. The making one column grey because that's what is sorted - although makes sense from a design point of view, aesthetically it's not great and it seems unneeded, I rarely change my sort criteria for it to confuse me. Either by name or distance.

And finaly. The hovering over to freeze the overview is just uneeded? When I'm waiting for someoen to jump through the gate, I'm waiting with my mouse where they would be (12km) waiting for them to pop up. I guess now I put it at the bottom, but if for some reason I have an already filled overview, say, in high sec. This is really not cool.
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
#36 - 2012-02-16 16:49:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Crosi Wesdo
Crucis Cassiopeiae wrote:
Johanne D'Arc wrote:
Oh dear....

Frozen overviews populate in a seemingly random fashion which is nigh on useless.

Running multiple monitors freezes the overviews on other screens while working on a different one. Absolutely NOT helpful.

Is this some kind of ISK sink attempt? Seriously, you guys need to learn to test these things before patching.



All is tested on SiSi...
and as i am aware of... noone complained.


And its so funny what reasons for complaining eve players can find:
"brackets blink too slow now" is now the funniest. Lol


The guy with zero pvp experience thinking hes qualified to comment on how people should feel about changes and their impact on pvp is always a good one too.

SISI isnt usually a place to test fleet fights on the small / med scale i usually fight, most people prob didnt notice the overview lock anyway and those that did prob thought it was another sisi bug and ignored it like they do most of the other bugs they see lol.
Funkert
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
#37 - 2012-02-16 16:50:45 UTC
i just went afk for 10 mins on one of the busiest empire gates. Accidentally left my mouse on the overview. Whoops!

does anyone at ccp actually still play eve? Cool

anyway, i read above me that some people actually like it. so make it optional, give us a dropdown where we can choose between hold-ctrl or mouseover for overview freeze. Or take it out again :(
Eyor
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#38 - 2012-02-16 16:53:49 UTC
Dez Affinity wrote:
stuff


can't believe i'm +1'ing a PL' s post.......................*sigh*
saltrock0000
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#39 - 2012-02-16 16:54:14 UTC
When using more than 1 monitor, the overview will freeze on the monitor without current mouse focus on it. This happens even when running in fixed window mode.

The freezing of overview on the monitor without focus is really bad for people duelboxing in pvp sorting by distance, and will cause deaths i fear

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Aquila Draco
#40 - 2012-02-16 16:58:26 UTC
Thanks CCP!

And this new way of locking overview is fantastic! <3