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Newbie Questions about 0.0 space and Corps / Alliances!

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Kane Hart
Sanitized Souls
#1 - 2012-02-15 20:50:38 UTC
So rather then keep making my application look totally newbie (wait that's to late and I don't mind being truthful for that lol)

I had the following questions or maybe better I could ask if there is such space even in the game...

I would love to be in an alliance / corp where there is near safe space that you could almost afk mine, even in space and not get shot down in 10 minutes. Yeah if you did it for hours or days you have more chance of getting owned but I guess overall I'm wondering is it common to be able to have a so called behind the front lines?

I don't know if this is a odd question but I was just wondering since high sec space seems almost impossible to be in now with all the griefing that is done and now more and more kids have money its ending up as a fun game even if they lose money heh.
Velicitia
XS Tech
#2 - 2012-02-15 21:11:17 UTC
Move out of highly populated areas and you should be OK to mine (note AFKing in space is always a bad idea ... unless you cloak in a safe somewhere)

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia

J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#3 - 2012-02-16 00:01:58 UTC
LOL, safe space and 0.0, that are 2 things that totally don't match. You won't find any real safe space in null-sec, and please let me know where you AFK mine as it will mean every single PvP roam will go after you.

TL:DR

1.) 0.0 is not 'safe' space, you can make is safe by being at your keyboard and acting when stuff happens.
2.) You NEVER go afk in space in null-sec unless your cloaked in a safe or inside your POS shields.

Conclusion, bad troll attempt, not even worth 0/10

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Katie Frost
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#4 - 2012-02-16 00:03:41 UTC
Kane Hart wrote:
I would love to be in an alliance / corp where there is near safe space that you could almost afk mine, even in space and not get shot down in 10 minutes. Yeah if you did it for hours or days you have more chance of getting owned but I guess overall I'm wondering is it common to be able to have a so called behind the front lines?


There is no "safe" places in EvE once you leave the station and AFK-ing anywhere in space will most likely get you killed at some stage.

Having said that, yes, there are alliances out there that control large areas of space and have sections that tend to be very rarely disturbed by anyone outside their alliance. Arguably these areas can be used for such activities as you describe.
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#5 - 2012-02-16 00:16:11 UTC
Katie Frost wrote:
Kane Hart wrote:
I would love to be in an alliance / corp where there is near safe space that you could almost afk mine, even in space and not get shot down in 10 minutes. Yeah if you did it for hours or days you have more chance of getting owned but I guess overall I'm wondering is it common to be able to have a so called behind the front lines?


There is no "safe" places in EvE once you leave the station and AFK-ing anywhere in space will most likely get you killed at some stage.

Having said that, yes, there are alliances out there that control large areas of space and have sections that tend to be very rarely disturbed by anyone outside their alliance. Arguably these areas can be used for such activities as you describe.


True, but alliances rise and fall, grow and shrink. And you said rarely used by anybody other then alliance, hence it's not 'safe' to afk mine. 1 single guy passing through is enough to blow your ship up as AFK miners don't respond to being shot

Also, rats can be quite a *****, you are afk mining and suddenly a BS spawn turn up, someone starts chaining it and at some point logs off, leaving you with BS spawn hammering your tank (if your lucky it holds, if not you come back to see your pod floating in space).

And lastly, pick one alliance in null-sec that wants AFK miners. Being in null-sec alliances means you have to contribute to the alliance, usually means help defend space, help take over space or at least active participation in stuff. AFK solo mining is best done in high-sec, just fit a proper tank on your hulk and nobody will suicide gank you. If they can, it means you didn't fit a good tank on your hulk and deserved to die.

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Liam Mirren
#6 - 2012-02-16 01:26:28 UTC
Apart from that, OP wants to join an alliance who put in blood, sweat and tears to GET that space and maintain it, patrol it, put in infrastructure and whatnot. And then he wants to be "left alone" afk mining? It doesn't work like that, if you want the pros of 0.0 space you also have to help defend and secure it, that or you have to help the corp/alliance in another way. Can't have all the pros without the cons.

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Kane Hart
Sanitized Souls
#7 - 2012-02-16 01:32:25 UTC
Liam Mirren wrote:
Apart from that, OP wants to join an alliance who put in blood, sweat and tears to GET that space and maintain it, patrol it, put in infrastructure and whatnot. And then he wants to be "left alone" afk mining? It doesn't work like that, if you want the pros of 0.0 space you also have to help defend and secure it, that or you have to help the corp/alliance in another way. Can't have all the pros without the cons.

Please don't put words into my mouth. I was actually wondering more how does 0.0 controlled space work like do people actually patrol it can you actually afk in space without dying 10min later because pirates are going through even well defended alliance territories. Things like that.

Clearly there is cons but I was wondering more what happen or does happen on some of these alliances back lines.
mxzf
Shovel Bros
#8 - 2012-02-16 01:36:04 UTC
All of the previous posters who have said "no space is safe" are completely right.

And, to the OP, I believe you have a bit of misconception about how to operate in highsec. Yes, there is some greifing and such, but if you find a quiet system that's off the beaten path with little traffic to mine in and just quietly mine without being flashy about it, you won't get disturbed much (if ever). You just have to go where there are fewer people for the greifers to go after, then they tend not to notice you. That's the only way to be even marginally 'safe' in highsec, is to be unnoticed. It also helps if you use a Covetor instead of Hulk.
Kane Hart
Sanitized Souls
#9 - 2012-02-16 01:41:10 UTC
mxzf wrote:
All of the previous posters who have said "no space is safe" are completely right.

And, to the OP, I believe you have a bit of misconception about how to operate in highsec. Yes, there is some greifing and such, but if you find a quiet system that's off the beaten path with little traffic to mine in and just quietly mine without being flashy about it, you won't get disturbed much (if ever). You just have to go where there are fewer people for the greifers to go after, then they tend not to notice you. That's the only way to be even marginally 'safe' in highsec, is to be unnoticed. It also helps if you use a Covetor instead of Hulk.


Thanks for the advice!
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
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#10 - 2012-02-16 01:42:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Steve Ronuken
If you want to avoid having to put a tank on your hulk and go for full yield, I'm sorry to say, you can't do that in nullsec. Not even deep in alliance territory.

Because the rat spawns are significantly heavier than in high-sec.

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J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#11 - 2012-02-16 10:50:50 UTC  |  Edited by: J'Poll
Also no matter what alliance your in, no matter how deep in null-sec you are. There is always a chance that enemy fleets roam through your system. If you mine AFK, your dead as they will see your hulk on D-Scan and then go and try to find it.

And you still have to help your alliance hold space, defend it if attacked or be active with them in any other way. Being the guy that always AFK mines in null-sec will either get you kicked very quickly or if your really screwed your alliance will just shoot you to teach you a lesson.

Again, AFK mining =/= null-sec activity.

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Kane Hart
Sanitized Souls
#12 - 2012-02-16 11:09:17 UTC
J'Poll wrote:
Also no matter what alliance your in, no matter how deep in null-sec you are. There is always a chance that enemy fleets roam through your system. If you mine AFK, your dead as they will see your hulk on D-Scan and then go and try to find it.

And you still have to help your alliance hold space, defend it if attacked or be active with them in any other way. Being the guy that always AFK mines in null-sec will either get you kicked very quickly or if your really screwed your alliance will just shoot you to teach you a lesson.

Again, AFK mining =/= null-sec activity.


Ohh for sure.

Sorry guys I guess you miss understood me I would never afk mine and if I had to go to the washroom I would be clicking dock then moving on. I'm sorry that you guys took me literally this is one my language barriers. I was trying to get an idea what nullsec was like not what you can't do period.

So to sum this out and this why was asking for pretty basic is it possible to afk...

nullsec can actually be pretty safe for bigger and larger ships that tend to be deep into alliance territory. Keep an eye on last 30min pilots in space on the map. Always keep an eye on local. If someone you don't know is in local you warp to the station there not then.

If your in a BS or another large ship farming ratts you pretty safe since it sounds like most the ships sneaking in are going to be smaller scouting ships and cloaking ships that are not going to take a big investment with them.


Did I get at least some of that right?


Again I want to be part of alliance and for sure do our part don't get me wrong I was trying to just get a visual image of what it was like deep in alliance territory where conflicts have not been high.
Liam Mirren
#13 - 2012-02-16 13:51:31 UTC
Ship size generally isn't a problem for attackers, what counts is how it's fit (pve or pvp) and how knowledgeable the pilot is. Unless you're deep, deep in friendly space and pay attention to the intel channels a lot you WILL get roamers visiting your area. They will be fast, they will be pvp fit and they will have means to take out your pve fitted ship with ease. "being left alone" doesn't work in high sec, low sec or 0.0/WH. If you think that high sec is an issue and you want to leave it because of that, 0.0 won't be any better (unless again, you're hiding behind walls of friendlies). That means you HAVE to pay attention, you HAVE to plan before you act and have backup plans in case of trouble.

The issue is that corp/alliances who allow for a more... laid back approach generally are the ones that can't defend themselves and thus become targets of such roams. And the ones who do defend properly won't "put up" with someone who just takes and doesn't give. If you want peace, prepare for war and all that.

To summarise: If you want to leave high sec just because people sometimes try to gank you then be sure what you ask for, as it might turn out to be worse. IF you want to do it anyway (and I would urge you to), then at least find a corp that "demands" activity and teamwork from its members, partially because it's more interesting that way and mostly (in your case) because that probably means that you'll be a lot safer.

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Danfen Fenix
#14 - 2012-02-16 22:31:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Danfen Fenix
Just dont forget, as someone mentioned, even if you get there and there is no red activity, it doesnt mean you're safe to mine. The belt rats are significantly stronger than in high sec (BSs are quite common P ), so you will either need to keep swapping to a combat ship, have a combat alt with you, or get an ally to help protect you.

However, if you get in to a good corp you'll often find they run mining ops which can help increase yeild (a group is safer, you get command bonuses etc), so you can afford to do combat in the times between as well, and explore other parts of eve Smile

*Edit: and another reason why ship size might not matter even to the smallest frigate. Hot drop o-clock Blink
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#15 - 2012-02-17 00:04:43 UTC
Kane Hart wrote:
J'Poll wrote:
Also no matter what alliance your in, no matter how deep in null-sec you are. There is always a chance that enemy fleets roam through your system. If you mine AFK, your dead as they will see your hulk on D-Scan and then go and try to find it.

And you still have to help your alliance hold space, defend it if attacked or be active with them in any other way. Being the guy that always AFK mines in null-sec will either get you kicked very quickly or if your really screwed your alliance will just shoot you to teach you a lesson.

Again, AFK mining =/= null-sec activity.


Ohh for sure.

Sorry guys I guess you miss understood me I would never afk mine and if I had to go to the washroom I would be clicking dock then moving on. I'm sorry that you guys took me literally this is one my language barriers. I was trying to get an idea what nullsec was like not what you can't do period.

So to sum this out and this why was asking for pretty basic is it possible to afk...

nullsec can actually be pretty safe for bigger and larger ships that tend to be deep into alliance territory. Keep an eye on last 30min pilots in space on the map. Always keep an eye on local. If someone you don't know is in local you warp to the station there not then.

If your in a BS or another large ship farming ratts you pretty safe since it sounds like most the ships sneaking in are going to be smaller scouting ships and cloaking ships that are not going to take a big investment with them.


Did I get at least some of that right?


Again I want to be part of alliance and for sure do our part don't get me wrong I was trying to just get a visual image of what it was like deep in alliance territory where conflicts have not been high.


Yes it is possible to go AFK, after you get you ship safe (either docked in station if there is one in your system, or inside a POS shield). then you can go AFK all you want, you never go AFK while in actual space (outside of shield / station).

Size doesn't matter, even frigates can kill a battleship. And if they find a juice target, they will go after it and even call for reinforcements. And like above mentioned, there is the hotdrop o'clock possibility. But in the end a decent fitted PvP fleet can easily take on a PvE fitted ship or a miner.

But not to discourage you, if you have a proper alliance that defend their space, if you are somewhat deeper into null-sec and if you are actually watching alliance, fleet (most alliances demand that everybody is in fleet for safety reasons) and intel channels you should be out of harms way before the enemy enters system. And in general what ever you do, you always stay aligned to your safe spot (again station or POS) and as soon as a non-friendly shows in local you warp, no matter what (your drones or that last rat you can pop with 1 more volley aren't worth your ship).

I now lived in null-sec for a while, and if you actually do it properly (be active, help alliance (helping others means they will help you in return when you need it) and play it smart) it is actually quite 'safe' (yes between brackets, as null-sec is never actually safe) and even more relaxed then high-sec as in null-sec it's more easily identified what people are up too (blue = no worries he will likely not kill me, neutral or red = GTFO, that guy wants me death).

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Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
#16 - 2012-02-17 02:10:51 UTC

I'm the guy that hunts you down when you're out and about in nullsec.

Are there relatively safe areas of nullsec.... Yes... there are some extremely safe areas of nullsec. Areas that you typically can leave your ship ratting or mining for 5 minutes to go answer the door, use the restroom, get a beer, and what-not. Corps use region-wide intel networks, bubble wrap gates, and typically operate in fleets to make their there areas safe. Most of nullsec is not that secure, and even in the most secure regions someone just like me occasionally pops in and looks for a good target to shoot. Meaning, 29 out of 30 days you'll be fine, but eventually someone will catch you if you are not regularly vigilant. Remember, if your in fleet, and operating with a group of people, a SL, WC, or FC can often warp your ship to safety in the event I come into system.

In my experience, you're looking for a null-sec industry corp... They are often renters, but some larger alliances have indy wings. You will be expected to contribute to the upkeep of the space, in one way or another...

Note, ratting, plexing, mining, etc... are all easy to do very safely in Nullsec, as long as you vigilantly watch local.
Scien Inkunen
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#17 - 2012-02-17 10:33:03 UTC
Why AFK at all? You do want to play the game? Then play it as should. It is like, you want to have sex and go fishing in same time.

Read the "Fart file" and you will understand the meaning of life !

J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#18 - 2012-02-17 13:23:05 UTC
Scien Inkunen wrote:
Why AFK at all? You do want to play the game? Then play it as should. It is like, you want to have sex and go fishing in same time.


OP means he has to AFK from time to time, even hardcore EVE players need to eat or need a bio break from time to time.
And he was asking if that is possible when in null-sec, which it is after you warped yourself to safety.

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Utsen Dari
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#19 - 2012-02-17 17:16:31 UTC
I recommend doing whatever you are doing with a buddy so they can watch your back and gangwarp you to safety while you are not there. It's a MMO after all, everything is better with multiple players involved.
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#20 - 2012-02-17 17:18:49 UTC
Utsen Dari wrote:
I recommend doing whatever you are doing with a buddy so they can watch your back and gangwarp you to safety while you are not there. It's a MMO after all, everything is better with multiple players involved.


Agreed, even getting killed is more fun in a fleet. So much fun to barge into a fight and die all together and laugh about it afterwards.

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