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nate555
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1 - 2012-02-15 19:08:44 UTC
what do i do. i like flying cruisers, but i just don't know how to get around this perma jamming. found a frig camp today and i was setup to fight frigs. never shot once because of a falcon.
yopparai
ASTARTES CORP
Hashashin Cartel
#2 - 2012-02-15 19:12:49 UTC
fit eccm
Veshta Yoshida
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#3 - 2012-02-15 19:16:48 UTC
500M ISK worth of implants and a lowslot gives you a "clear" cycle once in a while .. problem is not just solo, but any gang size below 5-6 or so .. especially bad for cruiser down hulls which generally do not have slots to spare.

CCP are aware of it and are working on a solution .. hahahaha, psyched!

PS: Avoid ECM users when out in small stuff/gangs until some viable options are introduced to counter it.
PPS: Feel free to smack the "frig gang" that uses a Recon .. haven't they heard of the might Griffin!!!!!! Smile
nate555
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#4 - 2012-02-15 19:25:30 UTC
it is rather hard. i don't have the slots for ECCM
Salcon Cliff
Zephyr Corp
#5 - 2012-02-15 19:48:37 UTC
I guess you could go drones/FoF missiles...prob is, you can't get a point on them, so unlikely to kill em :(.
Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#6 - 2012-02-15 20:42:25 UTC
nate555 wrote:
because of falcon.


fixed

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Abbadon21
Ignotis Imperium
Usurper.
#7 - 2012-02-15 21:40:49 UTC
Next time you see a camp of frigs with EWAR support, go get your self a Caracal and set it up with Assault Missile launchers and FOF Missiles.

Something Like This...

[Caracal, Anti-Frig]
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II

Experimental 10MN MicroWarpdrive I
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
J5 Prototype Warp Disruptor I
Stasis Webifier II

Assault Missile Launcher II, Serpent F.O.F. Light Missile I
Assault Missile Launcher II, Serpent F.O.F. Light Missile I
Assault Missile Launcher II, Serpent F.O.F. Light Missile I
Assault Missile Launcher II, Serpent F.O.F. Light Missile I
Assault Missile Launcher II, Serpent F.O.F. Light Missile I



Warrior II x2


Or Get a Drake with FOF and when Falcon uncloaks go sit right on top of him until he dies or warps away.

ECCM works but it's not a sure thing when you are in a crusier vs a falcon... Just takes you from perma jammed to mostly perma jammed.

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Abbadon21
Ignotis Imperium
Usurper.
#8 - 2012-02-15 21:56:04 UTC
Oh yeah... Check my Caracal PVP Vid here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2F6_q6XROTY&list=UU8F0Awpe4TjCaoC7-wy6FkQ&index=25&feature=plcp

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nate555
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#9 - 2012-02-15 22:07:16 UTC
this is what i had

[Caracal, pvp]
Damage Control II
Ballistic Control System II

Experimental 10MN MicroWarpdrive
J5 Prototype Warp Disruptor I
Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
X5 Prototype Engine Enervator
V-M15 Braced Multispectral Shield Matrix

'Arbalest' Assault Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Trauma Light Missile
'Arbalest' Assault Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Trauma Light Missile
'Arbalest' Assault Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Trauma Light Missile
'Arbalest' Assault Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Trauma Light Missile
'Arbalest' Assault Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Trauma Light Missile

Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I


http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=15258515
Abbadon21
Ignotis Imperium
Usurper.
#10 - 2012-02-15 22:32:56 UTC
That will do.... Just try not to engage them all at once if you can avoid it.

Try to split them up on opposing sides of the gate or pull them in 1 by 1 in a running battle. That will improve your odds.

GL next time you try it.

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nate555
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#11 - 2012-02-15 22:38:34 UTC
yea i tried to burn away from them becuase of a bubble. the dram cought up to me and the saber cought up using another web. my top speed became 115m/s and was far away from the gate. there was a moment when i could have warped but didnt react fast enugh
Monty Kvaran
State War Academy
Caldari State
#12 - 2012-02-16 01:02:55 UTC
Its not reasonable to expect to be effective SOLO, in a T1 Cruiser, against a gang of frigates with ECM support coming from a T2 cruiser.
Richard Bong
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#13 - 2012-02-17 03:39:54 UTC
Splitting them is your best bet. Try to draw them through the gate, ECM will generally be at optimal's from the gate and that can give you enough time to zorch one of the overzealous tacklers then bail before they can jump through again and get you jammed.

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Ryder 3vyn
Doomheim
#14 - 2012-02-17 15:40:49 UTC
Monty Kvaran wrote:
Its not reasonable to expect to be effective SOLO, in a T1 Cruiser, against a gang of frigates with ECM support coming from a T2 cruiser.

The problem is the fact that it would be reasonable to expect that if it weren't for ECM being so powerful. Like let's say it's a gang of frigates with EWAR support coming from a T2 cruiser. Is the support cruiser a big deal in regards to the outcome of the battle? Well that depends on whether it is a Target Painting Rapier that will make you take more damage from your enemies, or a Falcon that will decimate any chance you had of even locking your enemy.
Larofeticus
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2012-02-17 19:27:58 UTC
ECM is the opposite of fun. It punishes being solo/smaller numbers and rewards bringing a blob to counter it.

And then if you do bring a blob they'll complain about that.
"If you wanted a good fight you shouldn't have brought ECM."

Or even if you load up on ECCM they'll still all run away. If you can get locks 80% of the time, that 20% jam is enough to lose tackle and end up with nothing to show for the effort.
"What's the matter? Don't want to fight when I can actually do things?"

So if you don't want to fly in a blob your only option is to get good enough intel to know if an ecm ship is present, and if it is, then avoid the whole group. Or accept the risk that your entire battleship can be rendered impotent by a specific frigate.
Soporo
#16 - 2012-02-20 03:24:05 UTC
join RvB, there is a no ECM rule. Solo all you want too, if that's your thing. The Rifter's, they blot out the sun.

Otherwise, get a bud to for anti-Falcoon work (another Recon, eccm fit sniper, whatever).

Lots of things suck and stop fun fights: Ecm, CYNOS POPPING OFF, Being Damped down to nothing, being neuted, being blobbed, etc, but what can you do besides try to minimize or work around what annoys you.

Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats. - H.L. Mencken
Tazarak theDeceiver
United Mining and Hauling Inc
The Initiative.
#17 - 2012-02-20 04:08:45 UTC
I started carrying F.O.F. and it's pretty funny to see how quickly the ECM ships align/warp out if they get hit only once.
Super Chair
Project Cerberus
Templis CALSF
#18 - 2012-02-20 04:42:57 UTC
Ships capable of longer ranges (drakes, cerbs, tengus, caracals, cormorants (you can get 80km range with a 150mm rail fit), nagas, caldari ships in general) do very well against ecm. Most ECM boats lose their effectiveness the further you get away from them after 50km (falloff). You can snipe most ecm from beyond their ranges into either having to leave the field or die and then begin to lay into their gang.

If you fly minmatar, you have speed on your side to burn out of the range of ecm and kill their gang if they chase you. If you fly gallente you have drones, caldari have higher sensor strength and have the range...and amarr...welp goodluck.
Mieper
Random Events
#19 - 2012-02-20 16:39:55 UTC
nate555 wrote:
what do i do. i like flying cruisers, but i just don't know how to get around this perma jamming. found a frig camp today and i was setup to fight frigs. never shot once because of a falcon.


The smaller the gang, the bigger the force muliplier effect is from ECM.

The great thing about ecm is it can be fit to anything, frigate sized or greater. Early in my EVE online career, as a complete noob, I beat a corp mate in a corp "frigs to the death" tournament because I guessed (correctly) which frig he would choose to fight me. I figured since he had far better skills for guns than I had that I needed to neutralize that advange so I decided to train for jammers instead of guns and as luck would have it, it was my day and he never even got off a shot.

A falcon in a small gang is a powerful weapon but not invincible. Any ship that has a long range with reasonable dps can chase it off the field. The drone sniping Ishtar might be the best anti-falcon weapon in the game, actually.

That said, I don't know what you wanted to use to kill the frigate camp but intel is essential no matter what you bring. The fact that you didn't know they had a falcon and/or you didn't know how to counter the facon says a lot, with all due respect, about your preparation.

There are three golden rules with respect to small-gang/solo- PVP.

Patience
Patience
and
Patience
Veshta Yoshida
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#20 - 2012-02-20 18:23:31 UTC
That would be four golden rules then:
Patience
Patience
Patience
and
The other side has a neutral T3 booster, neutral logistics on standby, neutral ECM bird somewhere and possibly packing a cyno for a Titan bridge.

There, looks much more real now Smile
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