Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Because we don't need more ship types, if 50% of the ones already in game are near useless. Why not simply fix those and save the art department time they can use to design more boots.

I agree, flying a Kitsune is in large part finding the fragile balance between getting uncomfortably close to your target and losing lock because you're out of targeting range (even with LRT V). It could use a boost, but not a very high one; as I quite like the mechanic.

your two sentences seem to be at odds with each other

also yes they are 'broken' if there are more supercap pilots than EAS pilots

yet you still fail to give a real reason WHY you dislike the idea of a new EAS ship with a cov ops bonus

edit -
one thing i will conceed though is my use of the word BROKEN
i should have said they need a REBALANCE

but thats a bit of a sidetrack, what im on about here is some parity with the recons

Force Recon & Combat Recon

we should get

Force EAS & Combat EAS

Maybe if they bring out T3 frigates you could make that kind of ship but i think what you are suggesting would render force recon ships useless.

I would be in favour of buffing their current abilities though.

funny you say that , because with a whole minute of your time, you would find out that the 'combat' tag refers to the NON CLOAKY version of the recon.

which is EXACTLY the current state of the EAS right now.

what i am lobbying for is the 'force' version to be added to the lineup

..bet you feel clever now huh?



tbh, if they release t3 frigates, they would make all other frigate types obsolete imo

moving on though, to put your comment in perspective

have Interdictors rendered HIC's useless? - (maybe this isnt the best comparison, but you get the idea)
have Assault Ships rendered HAC's useless?

we all know in both cases the answer is no, with sensible balancing of module strength, slot layout, effective range, etc, they can be released without impacting on the effectiveness of their 'big brother' recons.

and like i have said before, the cloaky variants always get less in the way of range and 'tank' than the non cloaky variants, as we can plainly see in the recons themselves.

I believe there is a definite space for this new 'force' EAS ship to live in

they have comparable 'offensive capabilities' in regards to their stable mates

lachesis and deimos for example

keres and ishkur for example

see what i did there?

even the combat recons arent great at offensive capabilities when you compare them to the more attacking HACs

also, maybe your comment is a critique on the current state of EAS ships, and maybe afterall they ARE in need of a rebalance

their design predates many game changes that have changed the way we all play the game afterall.

Umm, what exactly are you trying to say here? That the Combat recon-HAC gap is equivilent to the EAF-AF gap? Because that's a stupid comparison to make. Combat recons are capable damage dealers on top of their EWAR - EAFs are not.
This situation is perfectly fine, EAFs have one job and with a few simple tweaks can excell at it rather than be merely workable (and by no means unusably bad).

Splitting EAFs into combat and force variants is pure stupidity, and would overpower both types.

Oh dear, it seems you need the simple words after all.

Ok, let's say this was done - there are now combat EAFs and covops EAFs.
This implies that the combat EAFs have, you know, actual combat ability.
This promptly breaks frigate balance worse than the Dramiel and Daredevil combined.

If combat EAFs are basically what we have now, then they are instantly worthless as there's no reason to fly them over the covops variant.

Speaking of the covops variant - these do one of two things: tackle (which any bomber or regular covops could do) or ECM - and if you think EVE needs more cloaky ECM ships then I'm devoutly thankful you're not a dev.


Of course it can, but there are much better ships to do so. Throw some combat bonuses on the Kitsune on the other hand and it now has the combination of DPS and seriously powerful EWAR all in one fit. Joy.

Sigh. I'm really not sure I can dumb this down any further for you but I'll give it a try:
FALCON = GOOD EWAR. BAD DPS. CLOAKY.
ROOK = GOOD EWAR. GOOD DPS

THEORETICAL COVOPS KITSUNE = GOOD EWAR. BAD DPS. CLOAKY.
CURRENT KITSUNE = GOOD EWAR, VIRTUALLY NO DPS.

The Rook offers DPS that the Falcon doesn't - the Kitsune offers no such thing over the theoretical covops variant, thus making it completely obsolete.

But if you buff the Kitsune's combat abilities - oh look, we have good DPS perma-jamming respectably fast frigates running round everywhere. Kitsune becomes the new Dramiel.

Have you flown a recon ship before? They don't do amazing dps so it's main use is the e-war capabilities.

If you've ever flown a force recon against another force recon then you would know that it's all about who gets the first lock. A cloaky e-war ship would beat a cloaky e-war cruiser 90% of the time!

tbh i'm just humoring you mate. i appreciate that you have shared your ideas but i think it's clear to everyone but you that this new frig will not happen.