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Looking for Loki lowsec Exploration fitting

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Oh Dae Su
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2012-02-14 23:19:54 UTC
I need to fit a LOKI or something of lesser value to do some exploration sites in to make some ISK in lowsec.

The ship needs to be able to travel through lowsec without being ganked, especially without being gate ganked (being locked pointed and webbed after jumping through a gate). This can be done through Covert Ops Cloaking if I'm right? The ship would also have to be fitted to be capable of doing exploration sites to bring in ISK too. To be able to make over 10mil ISK/Hour would be nice. Over that is better.

Would anyone be able to help me come up with a fitting for a ship capable of this?

Please, no matter how stupid, demanding or ignorant I sound refrain from trolling or flaming this thread.

Thanks - Dae-Su
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#2 - 2012-02-14 23:47:15 UTC
I don't use a Loki for this; a Tengu is just hands down better for the purpose. The main reason for this is that a Tengu can combine good damage with excellent damage projection, both of which are important to successfully run the more difficult low sec combat sites. With a Loki you get the choice between goodish damage (with ACs) or okish projection (with arties).

So. Take that for what it's worth. On to some actual advice.

The standard MO for T3s in lowsec exploration is to fit for scanning/travel and carry a combat fit that you can throw on when need arises. If you're running radar/mag sites, make sure your scanning/travel fit has the proper equipment to handle them as you won't want to dock for every one you find.

After playing around with Lokis for a bit in EFT, I couldn't find a combination of fits I liked. The combat fits all seemed a bit short on DPS even with 425s and the scanning fits all seemed to lack mids for professional sites(at least if you're not carrying around a whole slew of subsystems, which will run you out of cargo space rather quickly). I'm sure there's a way to swing it, but I haven't run across the answer just yet.

But in any case, damage projection or damage amount will eventually become a problem. Low sec combat sites require both to be done efficiently -- and you need efficiency since you don't want to be exposed for too long. So at least consider a Tengu.
Oh Dae Su
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2012-02-14 23:53:30 UTC
I guess I'll have to consider the Tengu. At least a month's training for me :\ It seems nothing is simple. I don't know what I'm going to do for the next month till then :| I guess training matar ships was a waste
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#4 - 2012-02-15 00:05:01 UTC
Oh Dae Su wrote:
I guess I'll have to consider the Tengu. At least a month's training for me :\ It seems nothing is simple. I don't know what I'm going to do for the next month till then :| I guess training matar ships was a waste


Hardly a waste, just not the best for low sec exploration. I wouldn't hesitate to use a Loki, Wolf, or Jaguar for high sec exploration, and Minmatar (and Minmatar-flavored) BSs are probably the best mission runners in the game right now.
MadMuppet
Critical Mass Inc
#5 - 2012-02-15 00:10:09 UTC  |  Edited by: MadMuppet
My Lowsec Loki fit: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=796109#post796109

Only expensive bits are the ship itself and the Sisters Launcher and probes. You can run around at speed in a L4 with little danger if needed.

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Substantia Nigra
Polaris Rising
Goonswarm Federation
#6 - 2012-02-15 00:14:55 UTC
Oh Dae Su wrote:
I guess I'll have to consider the Tengu. At least a month's training for me :\ It seems nothing is simple. I don't know what I'm going to do for the next month till then :| I guess training matar ships was a waste


T3 training times are pretty low for the benefit you get. The painful hurdle is usually racial cruiser V, but once there you're only a few weeks from a maxed-out T3.

It is a shame you hadn't explored this matter earlier. Tengu is far and away the most versatile PvE T3, and is no slouch for PvP and other stuff. Of course to deliver DPS with a tengu you need some decent missile skills ... but being of matari stock you probably have those already.

I fly three races' T3s and am all-5s for tengu and loki. Over 90% of my T3 time is spent in tengu and the rest in the loki. Tengu is for everything except scanner and 'freighter'. For each of those roles I use loki ... because of the slightly better agility.
When it comes to PvE activities requiring tank the tengu is superlative. My loki can deliver better DPS than my tengu, but not while carrying that amount of tank and not while also being able to do a range of other things.

Don't write your loki off, it will probably be able to do the stuff you're after. Go play with fitting-tool-of-choice and see what you can come up with ... and quietly train those tengu skills in the background while you're doing it.

As for time training matari skills being a waste. That'd be complete and utter codswallop!! I won't expand here though, but expect you will work out why one day.

p.s. We build and sell tengu (and loki) ... heaps of them. Be warned that tengu prices are bubbling bigtime atm. IDK why, but some manufacturing component prices have literally doubled over the weekend. So if you're looking for tengu you're gonna be torn between getting-in b4 a lot more price rises, or waiting for the bubble to (inevitably) burst ... however long that may take.

I guess I am almost a 'vet' by now. Hopefully not too bitter and managing to help more than I hinder. I build and sell many things, including large collections of bookmarks.

kalbrak Jr
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#7 - 2012-02-15 02:36:01 UTC
Loki
-Adaptive Shielding
-Emergent Locus Analyzer
-Power Core Multiplier
-Covert Reconfiguration
-Fuel Catalyst

Rigs:
3x Medium Projectile Metastasis Adjuster I

Highs:
Sisters Expanded Probe Launcher
Covert Ops Cloaking Device II
5x 425mm Autocannon II

Mids:
10mn After Burner II
Medium Cap Booster II
2x Shield Hardeners
Large Shield Booster II

Lows:
3x Gyrostabilizer II
Damage Control II
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#8 - 2012-02-15 18:19:17 UTC
kalbrak Jr wrote:
Loki
-Adaptive Shielding
-Emergent Locus Analyzer
-Power Core Multiplier
-Covert Reconfiguration
-Fuel Catalyst

Rigs:
3x Medium Projectile Metastasis Adjuster I

Highs:
Sisters Expanded Probe Launcher
Covert Ops Cloaking Device II
5x 425mm Autocannon II

Mids:
10mn After Burner II
Medium Cap Booster II
2x Shield Hardeners
Large Shield Booster II

Lows:
3x Gyrostabilizer II
Damage Control II


It has some promise, I have to admit. It seems to me to make more sense to drop the third metastasis adjuster for, well, anything that isn't a projectile rig and swap the power core multiplier for an augmented cap reservoir. It still won't take a 6/10. And I'm not sure I like being that dependent on cap charges. But it's an idea.
Sprite Can
#9 - 2012-02-15 19:30:50 UTC
Lowsec exploration isn't about isk/hour. It's more like playing the lotto, you can do days without earning anything significant and then suddenly get a 200m drop less than 30 minutes after logging on.

Refreshing Lemon-Lime~

Torothin
Crimson Dawn Enterprises
#10 - 2012-02-15 20:57:26 UTC
Pilgrim?????!!!
M1k3y Koontz
House of Musashi
Stay Feral
#11 - 2012-02-21 21:59:39 UTC  |  Edited by: M1k3y Koontz
Loki is terribad for exploration, its just a case of "What you can do i can do better" where the Tengu just gets more mid slots for tank & gear and has 100+km range with heavy missiles

If you want to do just the salvager/analyzer/codebreaker sites not the heavy combat then a Loki will work just fine, just make sure sure to have 6 mid slots. It also does great at PvP if you ever decide to do something other than exploration, so dont consider Minmatar training wasted time, ducttape ftw!

How much herp could a herp derp derp if a herp derp could herp derp.

albator999
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#12 - 2012-03-28 13:05:17 UTC
you mean herpa derpa?