EVE General Discussion

You know, I really dont care. This thread is about probably the biggest game design issue that faces CCP currrently, namely how to create a counter to the titan blob, withouth killing the titan as a combat ship

It is NOT a thread about discussing the relative merits of either side of the conflict. To be honest I couldnt ******* care less. You can continue to finger f***k me with the finer points of the relative strenght and weaknesses of the warring parties or definitions provided as part of the bacground, or you can stop beeing f**king useless spergelords and stick to the god damned topic.

I worked it out a bit in the scc-lounge


Riley Moore > 4+ titans on same grid = so much electronic interference from the vast systems on the titans rendering all capital and super capitals on the same grid unable to lock anything

Riley Moore > lets add in more negative effects: 200% increase in time to warp, cap recharge -50%, resistances -50%

Riley Moore > the super carriers could be like 20 on grid, any more = penalties across grid on all supercaps

Riley Moore > 200 carriers max, same penalties
Riley Moore > then you're forced to split to different grids

Riley Moore > it does fit into the scifi stuff though, large ships do create so much electronic "noise"
Riley Moore > you can explain it that way (lore wise)
Riley Moore > too much electronic noise from other ships causing electronic's failures across vast systems on titans, capitals and supers carriers
Riley Moore > subcaps are small enough to not be effected by it

Can't put them per corp, or per fleet or per alliance, you need to have the penalties per grid. Otherwise you'll end up with 30+ fleets all blue to each other each contraining X titans/supers. Same with corp or alliances.

Sub caps need to not be effected so they can actually take out the bigger ships if they blob.

I know it's not an elegant solution, but it's the best I can come up with to counter the more=better problem.

Yeah... Andski is right here. I have yet to read a hard-capping proposal that doesnt run into this problem tbh.

Enough of the nerfs.

Just lock them out of the rest of space. Set them to SOV claimable space only and restore their use of bridges, etc.

That would leave battleships as the biggest combat ships in highsec, capitals for WH, low and NPC null, with SOV having the super capitals - which leaves them for use, where they can be built. Just remove the current "I win" factor from when they pick fights outside of SOV lands.

This way the rest of the game can go on with it's battles and if they wish to participate outside of SOV wars, they can bring something that is the right size for the fight and "allowed" in that space.

There are a lot of problems in the game that could use fixing and I don't think investing huge amounts of time trying to nerf supers into something, those who cannot build them can fight, is really worth the time and effort - better to just limit where they can go/what they can do and leave them alone.

IMO - This beats the hell out of trying to nerf those beasts into something that can be faced by those who cannot build them and bring them to the fights.

SOV lands are already "owned space" with easy intel and the "I win" ships. As such, you can't challenge there from outside so why the hell try to nerf those ships? Join up with the SOV holders if you want and be part of the super caps movement or find other parts of the game to play in where you have a shot at fighting and winning -- right now this isn't possible so just fix that part and go on to the next issue.

Supers and titans are just fine... enough nerfed....
Now...
Its up to ppl... alliances... CEO's... to adapt.....
Leave CCP and the nerf hammer out of this...
This is just stupid

Name a counter to a titan blob other than more titans.

There would not need to be a counter to the titan blob if it would make no sense blobing with titans.

For example, if titans received bonuses from the proximity of other ships in the fleet there would be no titan blobs and the ship would still be very viable for combat. It would also benefit those who bring mixed fleets and protect their own:

frigates = + tracking
cruisers= + range
battleships = +damage
capitals = +hp
titans = - all of the above

No.

the point is to find good counters to the titan blob without nerfing the titan itself. As I have said in the OP, ship for ship the titans are where they ought to be. the problem is that they scale badly with numbers, becoming unstoppable rapetrains when used en-masse. Right now, the only counter to a titan blob is a bigger titan blob. This thread is about what other posibilities there is (or should be).

Unfortunately you dusted your hands and waked away with the problem unsolved.

I fully agree that increasing the build costs dramatically will help solve the cap problem, forcefully removing titans will only cause problems. Who's do we delete and who do we allow to keep theirs? Some alliances only have one whereas others have 40+ to toss around. The forced removal will dramatically shift power and players will cry foul and CCP favoritism.

CCP needs to address the real problem with caps. In small numbers, they're reasonably balanced. However with large cap blobs they're severely overpowered with no counter.

So, why are there so many caps on the field? Simple, EvE has an overabundance of minerals? Where did the massive quantities of minerals come from? They came from the rampant and unchecked botter infestation mining 23/7/365. The botting infestation that CCP is neglecting again.

If the material cost for cap production was dramatically increased, then the cap blob warfare would eventually thin out over time due to insufficient materials and/or cost. However since bots are pumping in minerals at an alarming rate, alliances can easily afford to pump out caps at equally alarming rates.

TL;DR summary - deal with the bots and dramatically increase cap ship production costs. Then the problem will sort itself out on its own over time.