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New Dev Blog: Your Client, Made Gooder

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GKFC
Quis Leget Haec
#101 - 2012-02-14 23:09:47 UTC
In this screenshot in the devblog:

http://cdn1.eveonline.com/www/newssystem/media/3122/3417/your_client_made_gooder_windowsset_5.png

What happens if you minimise all those windows with this patch? Will the Neocom have an aneurysm?

Because currently having everything minimise to the Neocom can be a pain...
Ciar Meara
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#102 - 2012-02-14 23:10:41 UTC
faster brackets?

Faster brackets and faster overview with faster UI on top?

My god, my...god.

- [img]http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/janus/ceosig.jpg[/img] [yellow]English only please. Zymurgist[/yellow]

Celebris Nexterra
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#103 - 2012-02-15 00:24:26 UTC
CCP Veritas for ******* World President!!!
Katalin Eve
KC Eve
#104 - 2012-02-15 00:40:31 UTC
As a software developer, I'm actually interested in any gory details you could offer on how you improved things in the UI. EvE's UI shows a lot of data. Any fun war stories you can tell?
Mioelnir
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#105 - 2012-02-15 01:26:14 UTC
I will never get over those small laser Maelstroms the thin clients use in all the screenshots.

But awesome stuff.
Richard Bong
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#106 - 2012-02-15 01:59:41 UTC
Awesome!

[ASK] Me about drive by thread shitting!

Fortune Foru
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#107 - 2012-02-15 03:23:31 UTC
I would love more elaboration of :

"Since the overview and brackets share a lot of code, we made them a bit faster by accident."

The word "accident" does make me a tad bit nervous. /me backups boot.ini file

Regardless, great job. Keep it coming!
Xenoglossicist
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#108 - 2012-02-15 03:30:50 UTC
Fortune Foru wrote:
I would love more elaboration of :

"Since the overview and brackets share a lot of code, we made them a bit faster by accident."

The word "accident" does make me a tad bit nervous. /me backups boot.ini file

Regardless, great job. Keep it coming!


It's simple code reuse - because Brackets use exactly the same methods and procedures as the Overview, by making Overview methods and procedures faster it makes Brackets faster too.

That said, it's never unwise keep backups - although it's usually when they DON'T say anything worrying that you need to be concerned. Blink
Skippermonkey
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#109 - 2012-02-15 04:03:35 UTC
Nice pix

So i see that you removed lots of spikes...

Can you please add them to the Sansha ships, because they are in dire need of a buff

COME AT ME BRO

I'LL JUST BE DOCKED IN THIS STATION

Skippermonkey
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#110 - 2012-02-15 04:05:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Skippermonkey
GKFC wrote:
In this screenshot in the devblog:

http://cdn1.eveonline.com/www/newssystem/media/3122/3417/your_client_made_gooder_windowsset_5.png

What happens if you minimise all those windows with this patch? Will the Neocom have an aneurysm?

Because currently having everything minimise to the Neocom can be a pain...


/me looks at that cluttered CCP Overview

"You gonna finish those Estamel spawns?"

edit - I SEE WAT YOU DID THAR - YOU SNEAKED MONOCLES INTO A DEV BLOG POAST

COME AT ME BRO

I'LL JUST BE DOCKED IN THIS STATION

Sri Nova
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#111 - 2012-02-15 04:06:06 UTC
with updates like these reaction time will now be a factor in large engagements !!
Averyia
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#112 - 2012-02-15 04:59:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Averyia
When the overview locks on mouse-over does that mean it doesn't update or that it doesn't resort? The important difference is that if it doesn't refresh, tactics such as priming weapons to insta-lock and point a decloaking ship will be slightly more difficult if the overview doesn't add the ship to the overview. If it only doesn't resort, then it merely appears at the bottom of the list until the cursor moves.

All warfare is based on deception and logistics. Battles and soldiers are secondary priorities.

Salpun
Global Telstar Federation Offices
Masters of Flying Objects
#113 - 2012-02-15 05:06:46 UTC
Averyia wrote:
When the overview locks on mouse-over does that mean it doesn't update or that it doesn't resort? The important difference is that if it doesn't refresh, tactics such as priming weapons to insta-lock and point a decloaking ship will be slightly more difficult if the overview doesn't add the ship to the overview. If it only doesn't resort, then it merely appears at the bottom of the list until the cursor moves.

Its been answered aboveLol resorting does not happen but the info does get updated. only thing that has not been confirmed in thread is where broadcast targets show up on the overview. New ships will show up at the bottom of the list.

If i dont know something about EVE. I check https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/ISK_The_Guide

See you around the universe.

Andrea Griffin
#114 - 2012-02-15 06:00:58 UTC
Team Gridlock and Slow Code go together like Beer and Sodastreams.

Thanks a ton; your hard work is always appreciated and affects all of us, from the newbiest of newbs to the most bitter of the bittervets. <3
VonKolroth
Anarchist's Anonymous
#115 - 2012-02-15 07:04:30 UTC
These are exactly the kinds of improvements I've wished you guys would make all these years <3.

Sent from my Gallente Erabus Titan on -FA- SRP

Natasha Pertrovich Aihaken
Thunderwaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#116 - 2012-02-15 07:50:44 UTC
leave it to CCP to fit lasers on a maelstrom
Msgerbs
The Ronin Wind
Khimi Harar
#117 - 2012-02-15 07:56:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Msgerbs
CCP Veritas wrote:
Sascha Valieri wrote:
Quote:
With the increased update rate, we made one super tiny functional change which you’ll probably notice and hopefully like – the sorting of the overview will lock when you hover over it. Previously it would freeze if you held your lock button, but with things moving around quicker it felt better to lock sooner than that.


Does that mean, a new Target does not appear in the overview if I hover over it?

Imagine a Gate you are on one side and a nother player is jumping through. Does he appear on that overview after decloaking when I hover over the overview or not?


New objects show up at the bottom of the list and objects that leave get greyed out while sorting is locked. Same behavior as exists on TQ today if you hold down your lock key (ctrl by default).

I love you, CCP Veritas! Just one more teensy little question... If somebody on the overview changes status (IE, from "don't shoot yet" to "TIME TO DIE!") will that update? I'd also like to know how broadcasted targets are treated if it's not too much trouble ;) as several people have asked already.

I guess I did notice warping onto grids was much smoother on sisi, though I didn't really pay attention. Consider my attention gotten, in a very good way :D Will you be tackling page loads next? (Market, corp/player bios, etc?)
Abdiel Kavash
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#118 - 2012-02-15 08:03:46 UTC
Quote:
http://cdn1.eveonline.com/www/newssystem/media/3122/3417/your_client_made_gooder_windowsset_5.png

Wait, you mean your UI doesn't look like this most of the time? What game are you playing?

I think I like the overview change. Sometimes you don't want to lock stuff, you just want to select something from a busy overview. Two use cases immediately come to my mind:
1) Warping off from Jita 4-4 undock to your destination stargate.
2) Assigning tags to many targets in PvE.
Both are made an order of magnitude simpler by a still overview, and can't be done while holding the CTRL key.

However I would have made it a toggle in the options.
[x] Freeze overview when hovering the cursor over it
[ ] Freeze overview when a key is held [Configure key]
Pinky Denmark
The Cursed Navy
#119 - 2012-02-15 10:40:54 UTC
Okay this is damn epic - but plz don't lock the overview just because the mouse hoovers across it...
Or at least make it an option to deselect?
Lena Fischer
FaintHeart Industries
#120 - 2012-02-15 11:20:48 UTC
Nice to hear about these improvements. But please please don't focus too much on performance if you have a client team there already. There's so much (plus so much more) to be done in usability aspects. Better representing icons, window uniformity, visual window seperability, overview USABILITY (changing the settings is as counter-intutive, time-consuming and unnecessarily side-effect-loaded as it can get, while we're at it) to start with and so much more.