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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#21 - 2012-02-13 20:43:48 UTC
Keen Fallsword wrote:


What about this "Einstein" ? :D


You think too big

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=12435783
Keen Fallsword
Skyway Patrol
#22 - 2012-02-13 20:47:02 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Keen Fallsword wrote:


What about this "Einstein" ? :D


You think too big

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=12435783


Yeah sorry Your is better :)
Aiwha
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#23 - 2012-02-13 20:57:39 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Keen Fallsword wrote:


What about this "Einstein" ? :D


You think too big

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=12435783



Shocked Mosquito with a sledgehammer.

Sanity is fun leaving the body.
Jacob Straven
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#24 - 2012-02-13 21:15:27 UTC
Must suck to be on your own killmail...... :P
esc shk
Okay Sax
#25 - 2012-02-13 21:15:51 UTC
Reset Black Mark.
Reilly Duvolle
Hydra Squadron
#26 - 2012-02-13 21:21:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Reilly Duvolle
baltec1 wrote:
Keen Fallsword wrote:


What about this "Einstein" ? :D


You think too big

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=12435783


Yeah. XL guns hitting a target which is about 50% bigger than a mega is clearly broken. With its tank I suspect all it needed to to was sneeze at it.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#27 - 2012-02-13 21:24:22 UTC  |  Edited by: baltec1
Reilly Duvolle wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Keen Fallsword wrote:


What about this "Einstein" ? :D


You think too big

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=12435783


Yeah. XL guns hitting a target which is about 50% bigger than a mega is clearly broken. With its tank I suspect all it needed to to was sneeze at it.


Dreadnaught class guns hitting a ship a battleship cannot is fineUgh

The only ships not able to get alpha'ed by titans seem to be frigates which cannot kill them. So titans are effectivly invincible. Which is fineStraight
Xolve
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#28 - 2012-02-13 21:28:41 UTC
Reilly Duvolle wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Keen Fallsword wrote:


What about this "Einstein" ? :D


You think too big

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=12435783


Yeah. XL guns hitting a target which is about 50% bigger than a mega is clearly broken. With its tank I suspect all it needed to to was sneeze at it.


Its perfectly reasonable for XL Blasters to hit a Light Dictor though... Roll
Reilly Duvolle
Hydra Squadron
#29 - 2012-02-13 21:30:26 UTC
baltec1 wrote:

Dreadnaught class guns hitting a ship a battleship cannot is fineUgh



ROFL. Baltec, are you trying to convince me to believe that a battelship will have a harder time than a titan hitting a MWDing interdictor?

How is this info war campaign of yours working out for you?
Caldari Citizen20110707
Doomheim
#30 - 2012-02-13 21:32:38 UTC
I like consperacy theories;

Watch how fast this topic gets moved to ships & fitting or warefare tactics after i post this:

Who benfit's the most of overpowered supers?

Why did it takes sooooo long before they got nerfed the first time?

Why are they still not nerfed properly?

Where are the old corps of BoB (aka band of devs) located?

In whitch alliance are they?

Did eve got more dynamic once old NC got removed?

Didnt CCP promised at fanfest 2009 eve 0.0 should become more dynamic?

Did they succeed?

Do CCP still wonder why so many 0.0 vets left?
Reilly Duvolle
Hydra Squadron
#31 - 2012-02-13 21:33:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Reilly Duvolle
Xolve wrote:


Its perfectly reasonable for XL Blasters to hit a Light Dictor though... Roll

Actually the EVE physics engine doesnt really care what you call the target. Every ship is just a sphere with a certain radius as far as it is concerned. And yes, a 1000m sigres gun hitting a 600+ m sigrad target (for reduced damage) is indeed working as intended.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#32 - 2012-02-13 21:34:46 UTC
Reilly Duvolle wrote:
baltec1 wrote:

Dreadnaught class guns hitting a ship a battleship cannot is fineUgh



ROFL. Baltec, are you trying to convince me to believe that a battelship will have a harder time than a titan hitting a MWDing interdictor?

How is this info war campaign of yours working out for you?


Ever tried to knock one out of the sky with Large blasters?
Reilly Duvolle
Hydra Squadron
#33 - 2012-02-13 21:36:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Reilly Duvolle
baltec1 wrote:
Reilly Duvolle wrote:
baltec1 wrote:

Dreadnaught class guns hitting a ship a battleship cannot is fineUgh



ROFL. Baltec, are you trying to convince me to believe that a battelship will have a harder time than a titan hitting a MWDing interdictor?

How is this info war campaign of yours working out for you?


Ever tried to knock one out of the sky with Large blasters?



As a matter of fact, I have. Several times. And unless he is orbiting me closely, I usually succeed. In a big fleetfight, you cant orbit everybody, so somebody will have a clear shot.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#34 - 2012-02-13 21:37:44 UTC
Reilly Duvolle wrote:
Xolve wrote:


Its perfectly reasonable for XL Blasters to hit a Light Dictor though... Roll

Actually the EVE physics engine doesnt really care what you call the target. Every ship is just a sphere with a certain radius as far as it is concerned. And yes, a 1000m sigres gun hitting a 600+ m sigrad target is indeed working as intended.


So again, the only ships that wont get alpha'ed by titans are frigates. So the titan blob is invincible.


This is good for EVE how?
Reilly Duvolle
Hydra Squadron
#35 - 2012-02-13 21:41:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Reilly Duvolle
baltec1 wrote:


So again, the only ships that wont get alpha'ed by titans are frigates. So the titan blob is invincible.


This is good for EVE how?


Using a MWD in the vincinity of big stuff that will instapop you if they can hit you is not very smart. Are you advocating we reduce battle parametres in EVE to tank and dps only perhaps? So you dont have to think and you know - fly smartly? I'm sure that would suit the Goon blob perfectly.
FeralShadow
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#36 - 2012-02-13 21:47:15 UTC
dictors always get locked up immediately upon arrival. The order probably went out to lock up all dictors, and one titan just got a lucky shot on the eris. It doesn't matter how fast or slow he was going if he is moving directly toward or away, it's gonna hit no matter how big the gun. With 20 titans there trying to shoot it, one is bound to hit. Also, that person is on his own KM because he launched a bubble and then tried to warp out. Obviously he was tackling them and then got locked and poofed. what cap pilot doesn't try to kill the dictors? KM's only tell half the story, and the rest nobody can confirm.

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia
Xolve
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#37 - 2012-02-13 21:49:43 UTC
Reilly Duvolle wrote:

Using a MWD in the vincinity of big stuff that will instapop you if they can hit you is not very smart. Are you advocating we reduce battle parametres in EVE to tank and dps only perhaps? So you dont have to think and you know - fly smartly? I'm sure that would suit the Goon blob perfectly.


Tell me about your experience in fleet fights against Titans skirting a POS shield, and how you took no losses...

Wait- whats that? You don't know what you're talking about- its ok... we figured that out already
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#38 - 2012-02-13 21:50:38 UTC
Reilly Duvolle wrote:


Using a MWD in the vincinity of big stuff that will instapop you if they can hit you is not very smart. Are you advocating we reduce battle parametres in EVE to tank and dps only perhaps? So you dont have to think and you know - fly smartly? I'm sure that would suit the Goon blob perfectly.


As opposed to;

dump titans, everything dies?

Tactics and fleet comp are useless vs such things. There are no ships with enough firepower to confront them without getting alphaed at such a rate that the DPS will become meaningless very quickly. It doesnt matter if you are MWDing or not, titans will apha battleships and battlescruisers, while the ships that cant get alpha'ed will get torn apart by enemy subcaps and lack the firepower required to bring down a titan anyway.

The only counter to titans are more titans and because of the speed at which they are being built and the lack of deaths the titan blob will only get bigger with time. We are now playing titans online.
Raneru
Jerkasaurus Wrecks Inc.
Sedition.
#39 - 2012-02-13 21:52:19 UTC
Drakes are dieing? Boost Drake! Blink
Reilly Duvolle
Hydra Squadron
#40 - 2012-02-13 21:54:03 UTC
FeralShadow wrote:
dictors always get locked up immediately upon arrival. The order probably went out to lock up all dictors, and one titan just got a lucky shot on the eris. It doesn't matter how fast or slow he was going if he is moving directly toward or away, it's gonna hit no matter how big the gun. With 20 titans there trying to shoot it, one is bound to hit. Also, that person is on his own KM because he launched a bubble and then tried to warp out. Obviously he was tackling them and then got locked and poofed. what cap pilot doesn't try to kill the dictors? KM's only tell half the story, and the rest nobody can confirm.


I've flown enough light dictors to know I'll probably die in fights like these. Its just the way it is. Drop bubble, mwd out to get free of the bubble so u can at least save your pod. Happned more than once.

But the point to threads like these is: No amount of killmails will prove that I, You, Baltec or anyone else are right or wrong objectively, because there are multiple possible explanations as to why stuff happens in EVE. The EVE combat system have so many parametres and factors that affect the end result, that killmails are virtually unable to prove anything.

Only way to do it is to jump on SISI and conduct carefully controlled experiments in multiple iterations.