EVE General Discussion

The revenue per players is way too low in FTP games and will be horrible in the single shard universe that is EVE.

League of Legends has about 15 million players and they generate a revenue of 25-50 million USD. That is about $3/year for every player. Imagine the EVE cluster with 15 million players paying $3/year and they would generate about the same revenue as the current model with 300k subs for about $150/year.

FPT will generate about as much revenue with 15million players as EVE do now with 300k players. Do you honestly believe that EVE would benefit from such a model? Would you play EvE then?

http://www.businessinsider.com/digital-100#51-riot-games-51

Last I heard LoL had over 32 million players with more revenue than you quote.

Problem is of course if EVE can work an F2P model because of their game design with a single server but also the expenses for that kind of server.

So it might now be feasible, however, it could be something down the pipeline when too few people play the game to keep it alive for awhile longer.

Most likely they will make their next big MMO F2P or B2P or CCP and EVE will cover a certain niche? Hmm, in anyway, I appreciate this most interesting discussion that could easily just have been derailed because of the terrible OP.

I agree that most of the player base has a really ****** up attitude, and IMO that is up to CCP to fix. One problem is that there are many bugged game mechanics that are easily abused/exploited (won't start playing word games here so don't waste your time). I'm not saying that CCP should block everything, destroying every bit of freedom and make the game a carebear heaven, but activities like suicide ganking and such shouldn't ever be encouraged. And they are encouraging those kind of activities right now just because of the fact that they are profitable. This is obviously just and example of what I mean. I believe the player base can and should be educated, rewarding players for being constructive and not destructive (again try to understand what I mean, don't waste time playing word games) leaving freedom as it is now, but with clear and well thought consequences for every action.

Well, good timimg. My accounts expire in a matter of hours. I couldn't agree more with the OP since this is why I'm quitting after 4 years. The players' attitude overall is simply intollerable. I did most of the OP-mentioned activities other than wormhole space. I also lived in null and low sec. I did PvP and I did fleet up so you can just skip the elitist "I is awesome null pew-pewer! Everyone must come to null to pew-pew 'cause that's the only part of the game I understand!" posts since it just makes the OP look even more correct. Also, only you will read it since this is a last post.

EVE players also claim to hate RMT but pump huge amounts of money into it. They also hate bots but run bot fleets. I guess if they "hate F2P, they probably can't wait for it to happen.

I already know that "nobody cares" and no you can't have my stuff. I don't have enough time left for that anyway and wouldn't even if I did. I leave EVE exactly nothing.

Those 32million players are not on an mmo. It's at best a lobby game with instanced combat arenas. Which at the max can hold 12 people playing at once in one fight. And their actions on there mean nothing to the game as a whole. They can't set prices, make anything or effect the market in anyway. It's a buy character. Fight, earn in game money or buy off cash shop and fight some more game.

That is not true at all, that is your estimate fine, but there has been MMORPG's that make more money per month as FTP than they did with a subscription. You do realize some people spend 100's of dollars per month in F2P games instead of the usual 15 dollars, true story!

Also on your last point, an F2P well made creates a community that does care, LoL again proves this to be fact.

To give an example, Valve made more money of Team Fortress 2 as a free to play game with a cash shop than they did selling copies after the release period.

Your unvalidated bleating is as well thought out as a clam might, so QFT.

eh, the only problem i see with this game is the fact they are taking AWAY some freedoms. Given, I believe High security should stay completely safe because thats why it exists, otherwise the security system would be virtually useless. as for the community: I've been in several communities before and in all honesty, eve actually has the best community ive seen in a long time. Probably means I should play better games, but trolls and d-bags are kind of an MMO must. A completely civil game would be uneventful. In any case, CCP IS driving people away- but in my opinion its more because this game has stopped expanding. They stopped adding lot of fun new things to do, they are just balancing everything to make it "fair". and while I really do hate unbalance mechanics, they create an intelligent audience who works hard to learn their exploits and who knows their stuff. My opinion- they should stop worrying about balancing this and that, stop making this new player friendly (the game is suppose to be confusing as hell, thats its strong point) and expand the game to include a lot more. People dont play this game for something easy and fair, they play it for the freedom and potential it has, and right now i just see CCP turning away from its potential.

as for the free to play or suscription thing, it has an FTP model for people who are great players. If you are a good player, then you can play for free. The current model is good as it is. this is just my opinion, but im with the person that a ame that is free to play give people no incentive to actually work hard. They didnt pay for the game time they have, so its just another disposable thing.

oh, that, and plus little rich kids can plex a lot to get whatever they want. so yeah

That statement just shows how dumb you are. In reality, it is actually smart to pay $$ for ISK if you have a well paid job and don't like PvE or trading. I don't expect you to understand why for obvious reasons. I also don't expect you to understand the difference between the current PLEX system and MT/F2P. I guess if EvE ever goes F2P it is just players like you that will be around.