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Community HATES thought of FtP but their actions push CCP that way

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Sasha Azala
Doomheim
#281 - 2012-02-21 13:13:57 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Sasha Azala wrote:
They're not a paid subscription, they're an object ingame that has a real currency value placed on them by CCP roughly inline with a subscription (slightly higher).
Not quite. PLEX are an in-game token that has the real-world value of 30 days of gametime. You cannot (legally) sell it for any real currency. You can go the round-about way of saying it has a service value comparable to anywhere between $11 to $17.5, but the only real-world value PLEX itself has is 30 days of gametime.

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The fact that a PLEX can be purchased for isk on the ingame market and used to extend your gaming time does mean they are just a paid subscription.
Eh… did you drop an “n't” here or did you just contradict yourself?

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So in short, PLEX are not a paid subscription as such, although the cost has already been cover by CCP.
No, the cost of the subscription has been covered by another player.




The real currency value on the PLEX is at the point of sale (which covers the cost of someone using it for extended game time).

A token is still an object, that token (object) does not have to be used just for extended game time.

Yeah. I did drop the n't thanks for pointing it out, i'll correct it.

The cost of the subscription is covered by another player as in the fact someone buys the PLEX for real currency from CCP, but what I was talking about is the cost being covered by CCPs pricing strategy.
Lexmana
#282 - 2012-02-21 13:17:12 UTC
Sasha Azala wrote:
The cost of the subscription is covered by another player as in the fact someone buys the PLEX for real currency from CCP, but what I was talking about is the cost being covered by CCPs pricing strategy.

Ahh ... I see, you are just trolling.
Sasha Azala
Doomheim
#283 - 2012-02-21 13:20:50 UTC
Lexmana wrote:
Sasha Azala wrote:
The cost of the subscription is covered by another player as in the fact someone buys the PLEX for real currency from CCP, but what I was talking about is the cost being covered by CCPs pricing strategy.

Ahh ... I see, you are just trolling.



Is that all you could come up with, a standard answer from someone that has nothing of any value to add to the discussion.
Lexmana
#284 - 2012-02-21 13:26:36 UTC
Sasha Azala wrote:
Lexmana wrote:
Sasha Azala wrote:
The cost of the subscription is covered by another player as in the fact someone buys the PLEX for real currency from CCP, but what I was talking about is the cost being covered by CCPs pricing strategy.

Ahh ... I see, you are just trolling.



Is that all you could come up with, a standard answer from someone that has nothing of any value to add to the discussion.

Isn't it classic trolling strategy to bring in irrelevant things in the discussion?
Sasha Azala
Doomheim
#285 - 2012-02-21 13:34:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Sasha Azala
Lexmana wrote:
Sasha Azala wrote:
Lexmana wrote:
Sasha Azala wrote:
The cost of the subscription is covered by another player as in the fact someone buys the PLEX for real currency from CCP, but what I was talking about is the cost being covered by CCPs pricing strategy.

Ahh ... I see, you are just trolling.



Is that all you could come up with, a standard answer from someone that has nothing of any value to add to the discussion.

Isn't it classic trolling strategy to bring in irrelevant things in the discussion?



It was not irrelevant as I was answering Tippia.


Seems to me anything that goes against your view you don't wish to discuss and just dismiss it as trolling.
Edwin Atavuli
Edwin Atavuli's Tax Umbrella
#286 - 2012-02-21 20:49:18 UTC
Sasha Azala wrote:
"Online gaming

Main article: Virtual good

The term microtransaction is sometimes used to refer to the sale of virtual goods in online games like World of Warcraft."

The above is a quote from Wikipedia.



Micropayments are online transactions that are below a certain monetary value this value can vary depending on who sets it.

If you want to know more look it up on Wikipedia.




Back to are PLEX MTs?

They are as far as the gaming world is concerned, although financial institutes won't see the larger payments as micropayments.

If they were not then you could not really call an MT store an MT store as a lot of the products are above the micropayment levels so the MT store title would be misleading.

You buy something from a store be it clothes a pet or a mount all 3 of those will more than likely individually be above the level of what the financial world would call a micropayment. But gamers refer to them all as microtransactions.

A pet, mount or clothes are usually tied to the account or character but they don't have to be.

PLEX are an ingame item they're an object that enter the virtual world via a redeem button. In other games you may get a purchase from the MT store delivered via the ingame mailbox. In the case of a PLEX or item from the MT store they are both items which are now in the virtual world which were not there before.

In short gamers do not see microtransactions in the same way that financial people see micropayments.



What this person said lol +1 ^^^^^
Captain Jack
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#287 - 2012-02-21 21:48:28 UTC
Hunng Ibruin wrote:
I've started following the forums lately and I've come to a few conclusions regarding the eve community of the forums and elsewhere.

They all state their steadfast hatred against free to play and the revenue model that accompanies it.
They are all elite pvp'ers and very hardcore in their own minds, especially when gate camping and 10v1 odds.
Most of them hate everyone else who don't play the game exactly as they want them to play the game.
They will flame and outright personally attack anyone who doesn't agree with them or suggest some change that they don't agree with, civil discussion is outright impossible with most of this community.
Carebears must die and be driven from the game; miners must die and be driven from the game; industrialist must die and be driven from the game; incursion runners must die and be driven from the game; wormhole dwellers must die and be driven out of their hole and also want the game changed to remove ABC because....they want to control it themselves elsewhere.

I could go on but you know what I have stated isn't just hyperbole, it is by and large reality. This community is incredibly self-destructive and loathsome. If it isn't in your hands it deserves to be blown up/stolen/griefed/etc. until the person who has it gives up. War decks, can flipping, suicide, gatecamps, theft are all tools to accomplish this goal. In the end you post for the "tears" and could care less how the other person feels or if they leave the game; in-fact most of you will cheer even louder if you cause someone to quit the game.

Now we must add some more reality to this: EVE subs are stagnant at best, this is no longer a growth title. The potential audience has peeked. CCP must rely on keeping current subscribers and finding ways to generate revenue, PLEX sales and AURUM are one small step but everyone knows that cannot be enough to sustain the game with a dwindling player base. It is natural people move on after a time but CCP isn't really covering these lost pilots with new ones.

So the future of this title? Who knows. If the player base remains somewhat steady at the current level then CCP can continue in its current form. However, all these discussions of nerf, kill carebears, incursions, wormholers will do nothing but increase the pilot loss rate. CCP has a number, like all mmo companies, and once sub rates hit that line they will either shut or turn to FTP revenue models. This community hates FTP revenue models yet their actions are very likely to cause the need to implement FTP. So while they rage about how "unfair" FTP is, they only need to look in the station mirror for the underlying cause and culprit.

tl;dr version: stop being such overly asshats and purposefully drive people away

I'm not calling anyone out nor making a judgment pass. I do not intend to offend and my tone isn't one of accusation but just clam reflection. If you think I am wrong in my assessment please discuss why. I am hopeful we can maybe do some self assessment as a community. However, I am also a realist and know what will occur instead.



You know, I thought its obvious that most of hardcore PvPers ARE asshats. Thats why I never expect anything much from people in mostly PvP games lol. Keep your expectations low, it helps to keep things in right prospective.