Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I started playing EvE back when it was just released here in Denmark - somewhere between 7 and 8 years ago; back then I got me a shiny and went forth to conquer untold riches in 0.0 systems. But, one fateful night I logged off and EvE was down for an update, during which my pew pews got heavyly (sp?) nerfed - a fact I only learned when I got jumped by rats - classic ragequit.

Fast forward 7 to 8 years, I'm tired of WoW, DDO got killed by overlords wanting the game to be more like WoW and less the awesomeness that it was; so back I go, final frontier etc. so reactivate I do, toon still parked in some god forsaken 0.0 system, goody I think, I'll just pop over to my buddies in high sec and relearn the game. Well first lesson taught within 20 mins, don't fly in 0.0 systems - popped and podded (doh). Also learned the value of having an up to date clone, which I didn't. So, fack it I think, I'll make me a new toon, do the tutorials and learn what I've been missing out on.

Now, PvP isn't really my thing, I enjoyed the battlegrounds of WoW, but tend to stay well away from the pure breed servers - advertisments for EvE says, find your own destiny; I'm thinking mining and trading sounds like fun so I dump SPs into those categories. After a week or so, one of the corp mates hear this and says "No no, the real iskies are in mission running" - ok, fine I says and start doing skills for pew pew (a wiser person would have asked, "what is the right way (of PvE fittings)").

A couple of weeks goes by and suddenly we find ourselves with our very first war-dec, issued by some 2 bit corp. Early intel says it's a one man show, flying T3 (Tengu afair) and navy issue whatnots. Well, my instant reaction to this; "how is this legal? I'm a newbie flying high sec, where is my protective Concord?" Well, as you all know, it is legal and part of the game. Guy catches me with my pants down in an ill-fitted Drake (remember I was new to the game) Killmail: http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=14327738 (yes, badly fitted I know, but this isn't the point of this post).

Now, what I learned from this, was "thou shalt train PvP skills" (and learn to fit your drakes, stupid) - this sort of grinds against what I was promised when I signed up; we are told we can choose our own paths, but as it turns out, you are free to choose whatever you want, as long as you make sure it is pew pew and PvP, else you will be sitting in a station thinking of the joyfull times you had in WoW in front of the bank waiting for LFG to turn up a new PuG. Again, this isn't the point of this post.

When you play WoW or DDO or hello kitten island adventurs, you can usually get to an even playing field within a short timespan - grind like a full time job and you will be level 85 (or whatever max is in WoW) within a couple of weeks, play casually and you'll get there within a couple of months. In EvE, you will forever be behind the curve. In theory, EvE is designed to allow you to specialize; e.g. go for freighters and you can get there before players who have been into fighting for 3 years can - however, since any corp can declare war and turn you into fair game in high sec. your hands are forced into PvP.

And thus, finally, we arrive at the point of this post. Why can't I buy skill points? In any other MMO grinding is rewarded by quickly advancing your toon. In EvE, you basically can't play with your friends until your toon has been sitting in some hangar for 4 months waiting for it to be safe to go out there in mean old secure space - griefers and trolls will go "hey, if you don't like it, go sit in the NPC corps" - well that kinda destroys the point of playing a game with your friends; if that was satisfying enough I'd be playing Freelancer. Now I don't want the game dynamic changed for PvP - I like the fact that I have to hold my breath going for Jita with my latest cargo of shiny toys; I like the fact that we can gather intelligence on our current enemy corp and find out they have all their industrials parked in a non allianced corp and declare war back on their cardboard boxes.

Here is my suggestion (EvE devs start paying attention, CCP you can make money on this): Allow PLEX to be traded in for instant skill points. Since one PLEX allow me to play the game for 30 days, it would be fair to be able to trade a PLEX for 30 days equivalent of skillpoints, gained at 20 (base I believe?). Currently, the system says I have 31 days to go to get to a shiny Tengu; some 60 days to fly Orca with full bells and whistles - pop in 1.3bn Iskies (or $45) and you are done. While the game is by no means unplayable, you do feel left out when there is no physical way for you to speed up the process by which you get to play with the big boys. Now obviously, those who have been playing this game for 7 years will feel it's unfair, since new players will be able to go nuts with their creditcard and get to a level playing field - but you will still have the advantage of a settled corp with massive outreach - this just enables the new guys to start making a difference, before they get too annoyed with high level ganking and griefing.

Edit: Spelling error and missing partial point of trading iskies.

Stopped at 3/4.

The point of why you can't buy SP is because you have a character which is meant to "evolve".
You can buy characters, yes, but they also had to "evolve" to get where they are.



I know you said that's not the point, but it's worth mentioning:

You got that wrong. You're free to do whatever you want ... just like everybody else !
So if some guy chooses to kill you, you either run/defend yourself/die.
Welcome to the sandbox !

That's the nature of the game.
Evolve and survive.

Being able to buy SP is opposite to what the game is about.
This doesn't mean i'm telling you how to play the game,
it just means that the game is the way it is and being able to buy SP doesn't make sense.

Actually, it would ruin the game because people just buy their way up
and leave really soon afterwards, because buying SP doesn't really help them.

Lack of experience = Death.
If you don't believe me, buy a 100 Million SP toon and tell me where you are.
I'll make a new toon and after a week of skilling you'll die in a big blue ball of fire. :)

It would make sense if one were able to buy SP in a game like WoW.
There's no real "evolving" or "gathering experience" in WoW, because there's a levelcap.
Once you reach it, you're done.

EvE is different. (thanks, CCP ! :)

Sorry if i'm a bit offtopic, but i think i got it covered.

I will bet you any amount of money, that any toon you make based purely on one weeks eve play will be unable to pop a well fitted 100m SP toon. No twinking, no funny business.

Now, please tell me, why would you stop at 3/4 of a post and comment? If you only read the top, you would have no idea what the post is about, and thus your point is absolutely irellevant (and reading your response I can safely conclude you did infact read it all - or skipped the intro).


And for those who comment "GTFO", please, if thats your best trolling, go back to 4chan and get some education.

Both you and the other guy kinda miss the point. If you sink those 2M SP into PvE or Industry, you are worth nothing in a PvP situation - thus you are forced to sink your SP into PvP to fend for yourself.

And you don't get 2M SP in one week fyi.

Now obviously, I get that people don't like instant SP exchange; but what I would love to hear from you is why not. Arguments like GTFO, recursive "this" and "no way in hell" doesn't really help me see your point of the view - as a new player, you end up feeling like there is a party, but you are definitely not invited; you only get to sit in the kitchen eating leftovers from the popular kids.

Nearly spat into my coffee reading this post.

Bascially if you can buy skillpoints all that will happen is that in the space of 6 months you will have more well off people flying around in Titans,SC's and whatever else is supposed to take years to be able to fly.

There is already a legal mechanic for this and it's called the character bazaar. You need PVP skill buy a PVP alt etc etc.
Me for one personally love the fact that if I want to fly a supercarrier etc, it will take me a a fair old amount of blood sweat and tears to get one, which is rewarding in itself.

As for MMo's like Stars Wars etc etc where people are already hitting the top level and are having to wait for more updates to go further ...zzzzz boring. I love the fact I'll probably be dead before I can afford a titan it gives me something to aim for in my digital life.

Think of EVE as more of a social experiment than a game.

You can never call it a game when most of the people who develope it are half cut on Brennivín running around half naked in sub zero temperatures.

· It removes the point of having skills to begin with.
· It removes the point of having attributes.
· It effectively removes attribute implants from the game.
· It removes variety and instead encourages FOTM and cookie-cutter setups.
· It removes the uniqueness, history and "character" of your character.
· It removes planning and choice and consequences.
· It removes goal-setting, progression and any achievement in those areas.
· It kills character trading.
· It massively boosts older characters over new ones.
· It introduces "catching up" as a concept in EVE and instantly makes it impossible to do.

There are few reasons (sry Tippia!). Any system that has to do with buying SP, remapping SP and grinding SP (to some degree) introduces some or all of these problems.

No, I'm asking for a level playing field - turn it around and ask yourself, why is it such a danger to you that new players will be travelling around in supercaps, if some smuck wants to dump $700 in a game, you should be glad - that means some 10-14 hours of developer time paid - and big industry players gets to live on this smucks fat wallet as he will surely go pop the first time he takes it for a spin.

Doing instant trade of SP only grants you intelligence, not wisdom.

And for what it's worth: WoW got boring because they messed up their new dungeons; if you aren't a tank you mostly get to stand in queue - even medics had 30+ mins wait for action.

DDO got broken because they went away from "groups required" model to "groups optional" model. DDO actually shared a lot with EvE, you can't make it on your own; like you guys, we used to tell the WoW "GTFO", normally wrapped up in nice language, but hey, each to his own.

I swear we're getting one of these threads every couple of days now.

Unbelievable.

Just unbelievable.

People, please don't feed the troll.
He's not even remotely as funny as mavrik1. ^^

His questions already got answered. That he's ignoring them only shows that
he's either stupid, trolling or not willing to accept the answers.

People who aren't willing to accept how the game works
and believe it should be more like others ...
... should just go play the others.

Ignorance is bliss, i guess.

Wardecs, anyone ? ^^

I wouldn't expect a player that is 1 week into the game to be able to pop a 100mil char but it is possible as you didn't specify ship types, etc. Someone experienced but with a 1 week old character would be able to. As with all solo eve pvp, the trick is choosing your target wisely.

Also, this is an MMO (a multiplayer game). A one week old character could team up with friends and kill hundreds of people (try RvB or faction warfare).